July 2, 2026

What did Revolutionary War soldiers eat? Colonals, Loyalists, and Allies on Both Sides?

What did Revolutionary War soldiers eat? Colonals, Loyalists, and Allies on Both Sides?
What did Revolutionary War soldiers eat? Colonals, Loyalists, and Allies on Both Sides?
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What did Revolutionary War soldiers eat? Colonals, Loyalists, and Allies on Both Sides?
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What did Revolutionary War soldiers eat? Broken supply chains, buggy fire cake, boiled shoe leather, and the allies who ate far better. Episode 93.

On paper, Congress promised each man a pound of meat, a pound of bread, peas, beans, milk, and beer or cider every day. In practice, a broken supply chain meant that Continental soldiers often went without, surviving on bug-infested “fire cake,” and at Valley Forge, they were even known to boil shoe leather to make soup! Meanwhile, the French, Spanish, Hessian, and even British forces ate very differently, and quite deliciously too.

Join Nancy May and Sylvia France here in the Family Tree Food & Stories podcast, as they kick off a four-part celebration of America's 250th birthday. Just to start, you'll learn what soldiers on every side of the Revolutionary War actually ate, including a real diary entry from a real Continental soldier who called a handful of pumpkin seeds fished out of a horse trough “the most delicious feast” he’d had in months.

Congress’s official daily ration sounds generous on paper, but a broken supply chain, impassable roads, corrupt contractors, and the “Forage War,” where armies raided each other for hay, cattle, and grain. The results? What they really ate was bug-infested and disgusting. Some soldiers recorded boiling shoe leather and tree bark just to survive. Can you imagine?

The real killer, though, wasn’t the British enemy; it was malnutrition and disease as a result of very few veggies in their diet. There were some pretty heroic Natives who came to the rescue when they could and taught our guys how to make spruce beer, which is very high in vitamin C. Nancy tasted it too. Really.

The French might have been our first colonial food critics, too. While in the south, Spain’s Bernardo de Gálvez drove 2,000 Texas longhorn cattle to feed his troops and won the Siege of Pensacola; Nancy and Sylvia call them the first REAL Florida cowboys! They're likely right too.

Women played an important food story role too. Want to know more, tune in to hear the story of Nancy Hart who used a turkey to capture a group of enemy soldiers, right in her kitchen!

Key Takeaways and Lessons Learned

  1. The British didn’t starve the Continental Army; a broken supply chain did. Congress promised generous daily rations; soldiers got only a fraction of them due to bad roads, corrupt contractors, and the “Forage War,” in which armies raided each other’s food supplies outright.
  2. Hungry soldiers ate the weirdest things to survive. “Fire cake,” which is simply flour and water cooked on a hot rock. The flour was often loaded with bugs, too, and baked right into the bread. A Continental Army staple; at Valley Forge and Morristown, NJ, men were said to have boiled shoe leather and tree bark just to keep from starving.
  3. Scurvy, not the enemy, was the deadliest food-related problem of the war. A diet of salt meat and flour with almost no vegetables caused the most common illness of the entire war. Vinegar, sauerkraut, and spruce beer (learned from Native Americans) helped, decades before vitamin C was identified in 1932.
  4. America’s allies ate far better than our guys, and it mattered strategically. French bread ovens in Chatham, New Jersey, helped disguise the march to Yorktown; Spain’s Bernardo de Gálvez fed his troops with 2,000 Texas longhorn cattle and won the Siege of Pensacola, tying down British forces on the Gulf Coast.
  5. Women fed and sometimes saved the Revolution on regional battlefields. An Oneida woman, Polly Cooper, walked 250 miles to bring corn to the starving army at Valley Forge and refused payment; Georgia’s Nancy Hart was said to have disarmed loyalist soldiers over a turkey dinner, and a Georgia county still bears her name as a result of her heroic efforts, too.

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Nancy A. May: Hello everybody, I'm Nancy May, a lifelong Connecticut

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Yankee and brand new Floridian

Sylvia France:

Hi, I'm Sylvia Frantz, a fourth-generation Floridian.

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My family came to Florida before statehood in the 1820s, so anyone who came after

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1845 would be considered a new Floridian.

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We're starting off America 250 celebrations with a nod to what our

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Revolutionary War soldiers and allies ate.

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Nancy A. May: Yep, and welcome to this episode of Family Tree Food Stories.

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Before we start, would you do us a favor?

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If you go to Podcast.FamilyTreeFoodStories.com,

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follow the show, share it with a friend, and tell us more of your stories.

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Because, well, that's how we're gonna get better for you and for others, and us too.

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So on that note, Sylvia, let's jump in, because there's a

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guy I need to tell you about.

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A soldier, a real patriot, like some of our own ancestors might have been, and he

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kept a diary the entire Revolutionary War

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Oh, I already love him since documentation

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is priceless in genealogy,

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Nancy A. May: Okay, so this guy wrote down the best meal that he ever had in months,

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and I mean he really wrote it down with passion, like a teenager with a crush

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What could that possibly be?

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Nancy A. May: You're not gonna guess.

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It was pumpkin seeds

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That's it?

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The whole meal eloquently defined pumpkin seeds?

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Nancy A. May: Y- yeah, apparently.

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It was just a simple handful of pumpkin seeds, that he found

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in the bottom of a horse trough

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that is so sad,

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No.

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That can't be right

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Nancy A. May: Yep, It seems so wrong, yet, yet so right.

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But he said, and I quote directly from his notes, "It was the most delicious feast."

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Out of a trough?

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A horse trough?

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Ick.

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I really love horses, but that's taking it a tad bit too far

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, probably talking green, slimy at the bottom too.

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I think I'll look at the bottom of the bucket next time I take a, a look

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Ew.

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desperate times needed desperate measures, and we consider ourselves

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culinary curious, but still, ugh

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Nancy A. May: Honestly, that's just the kind of thing we're getting up to around

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here because every meal has a story and every story's a feast and every kitchen

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has a secret, even if it is in a trough

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And every horse trough apparently has

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a feast or at least a snack.

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Nancy A. May: Yeah.

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Okay, , so here's the big picture that we're talking about

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today, and for the next month.

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We're starting with this big month, because we're celebrating

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the 250th - anniversary of the Declaration of Independence

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It's been 250 years since we said we're free on paper,

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Nancy A. May: Yay.

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was the easy part.

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It was like receiving an invitation to a birthday party.

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Actually winning the Revolutionary War, , that took eight years, eight

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years of cold, broke, hungry men with the help of courageous women

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I might add somehow pulling it off

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Nancy A. May: Yeah.

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I love that.

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In fact, nobody puts that part on the sizzle reel

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So today's topic, what did the soldiers really eat?

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The Continental Army, our French, Spanish, and Dutch friends who

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helped us, and yes, the British and German soldiers called Hessians too.

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Same war, very, very different plates

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Nancy A. May: So we're gonna find out who ate what and who

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ate well and who ate the bugs.

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Yep, who ate the bugs, and others that we shouldn't probably say out loud

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So buckle up.

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It's about to get very interesting here

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Nancy A. May: Very interesting.

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Stick around.

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There's a woman later on in this episode who takes the guns away from three

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enemy soldiers and using nothing but a turkey dinner to, well, entice them

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I'm picturing a frozen turkey dinner here or

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just Revolutionary War style?

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Nancy A. May: Well, exactly Revolutionary War style.

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I'd leave the Butterball at home.

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But you'll have to wait for that one, because that's Just a little tease

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worth the wait, I promise.

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. Quick thing is if, this is your first time with us, go ahead and hit the follow now.

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This is one of four on the food of the Revolutionary War.

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You don't wanna miss where the rest of this goes

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Nancy A. May: Okay, let's just get into it, Sylvia, because we're, been enough of

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the promo here, but , here's what gets me about the whole topic of the Revolutionary

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War and food, especially for our soldiers.

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, Our soldiers were supposed to eat really, really well

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uh, define on paper

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Nancy A. May: Okay.

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Congress wrote out daily food plans for each soldier, kind

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of like they probably do today.

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A pound of meat, a pound of bread or flour.

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There were peas, beans, and milk when they could get it, and a drink

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every day, beer or cider, even vinegar so they wouldn't get sick

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Wait, That's better than I have on most Tuesdays

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, right.

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Or Wednesdays, maybe even both.

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On paper it reads like a feast, but almost none of it actually showed up

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None of it.

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How disappointing.

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Nancy A. May: I know, right?

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The truth is that barely any of it was ever delivered.

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Can you imagine being hungry and never getting food?

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And here's the part that got me.

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Everybody thinks that the British starved us out.

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They didn't have to.

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We did that ourselves because our supply chain was so broken

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We all heard that The revolutionary tale is

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that wagons are pulled by mules.

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The roads were bad or nonexistent.

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and Drivers switched routes halfway through and just lost track of

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where they were even headed.

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Food sitting out in the rain, rotting before it got there.

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One supply officer wrote that he didn't even have a single barrel

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of flour to hand out, not one.

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Nancy A. May: And that wasn't all bad luck either

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Nope.

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Some of it got stolen on purpose.

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There's a real stretch of the war that historians call the Forage War.

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Armies raided each other for hay, cows, and grain wagons.

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Food wasn't just hard to find, it was a target

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Nancy A. May: So our soldiers fought over hay.

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That's pretty dramatic and also pretty pathetic

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It sure is, but it was true.

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People got shot over hay and it didn't get lost in a ditch somewhere.

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It got sold off of the back of a wagon by the same men who

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were supposed to deliver it

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Nancy A. May: Oh, that's even so… I can't even begin to explain that one.

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They're stealing their own food so they can sell it back to their own guys?

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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And it happened everywhere.

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Congress was furious about it, but they couldn't really do anything to stop it.

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Nancy A. May: So when flour finally showed up late and, hmm, as I

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understand, also full of bugs

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Yes, literally full of bugs, weevils and maggots.

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were baked right into the bread.

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Using much of that flour, they made something which they called a fire cake.

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That's just flour, water, mixed, and then slapped into a hot rock by the fire.

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No yeast or sourdough starter.

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Half the time there was no salt.

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Ugh.

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, I know, right?

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And bugs.

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Boy, that actually sounds like papier-mâché without the paper.

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Yuck, and bugs

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Oh, wait, they called it free

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Nancy A. May: Well, please tell me that wasn't a joke because that's really,

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like, I, I'm like totally grossed out.

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I can't get this out of my mind

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It's barely a joke

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Nancy A. May: You know, it's kind of funny that you mention bugs.

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All right, well, I gotta plug here.

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Because we did a whole show, or whole episode, about how to eat

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bugs back in August of last year.

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So if weevil's are your thing, you might wanna listen in to that episode.

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We'll put a link into the show notes just in case you wanna give a bite to Sylvia

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Well, I'm not eating a bug because, well,

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you're fascinated by bugs, Nancy

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Nancy A. May: Oh, come on, Sylvia, humor me.

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but note for the record.

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, So let's move on and talk about the entire camp and how it was set up.

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Here's what it looked like.

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There were six guys to a squad, and there was one pot between all six guys, and it

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basically never got cleaned or changed because they always were on the move.

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They just kept it going on and on and on.

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More water, - more salt pork, more flour right up to the top.

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Whatever was left over week after week after week, they just kept piling it in

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Ew, that - is disgusting

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Nancy A. May: Honestly, I'm not so sure it was that bad because, well, I'm

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gonna let you in on a little secret.

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That's what Bob does for us when we have… He calls his

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endless winter pot or stew soup

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Excuse me?

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Nancy A. May: Yep, my Bob runs an Instant Pot throughout the cold winter

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months, even here in Florida when it can drop down to 20s overnight.

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You know that one.

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It's the same pot week after week, and he rarely empties it.

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He just keeps adding stuff to it.

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He could add sherry one week.

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Now, there is some meat in there.

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Roasted garlic may be the next.

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A little bit of basic running of something new, some vegetables, and

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he's got his own revolutionary stew war pot, and he didn't even know it.

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It was the endless pot of soup.

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Well, that's what we call it at least

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250 years and men still don't wanna do the dishes

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Nancy A. May: Nope, and he's proud of it.

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But it's actually pretty good.

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I haven't died yet.

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uh, , and here's another thing.

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Our Revolutionary War patriots didn't use forks.

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Although forks and soup probably aren't a good combo, unless it's a stew.

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But forks were considered a little too fancy and upper class, and a

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soldier just cut the meat right out of the pot with the same pocket knife

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that he used for everything else.

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Think, I don't know, cleaning off the off the bottom of your shoes?

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Yuck.

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The fork was the snob at the table this whole time.

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I've heard stories that in my family did exactly the same

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thing in southwest Florida while tending their cattle in the 1800s.

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They would just clean off their knives by wiping it on their denim jeans.

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, we do that now too.

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The fork has always been a snob though.

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But I have to ask you one thing that I think everybody's heard about, but

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I didn't hear about this one before.

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What about the soup shoes?

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The shoes I wish I could tell you it was just a story

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Nancy A. May: So it's not a story, it's real?

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Actually, it is real.

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At the worst camps, Valley Forge and Morristown, men wrote about

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boiling their shoe leather, tree bark, sometimes even camp dogs.

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Don't repeat that to your pups.

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Nancy A. May: No.

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BB and The Mighty Quinn want to put it on record, they are totally disgusted.

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They are sitting at our feet under the dinner table, and will not be

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the main course for dinner this week

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They should be growling at you now because

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that's not a normal hungry night.

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That's a type of nothing has come for days kind of hungry when you boil your shoes

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, for sure.

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And quick question, because if somebody listening to this is wondering,

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how do we even know all this stuff?

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Well, here's where it comes from.

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It comes from notes and journals that were saved from family members passed down

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through the generations, their complaints, and honestly, yeah, even their trash.

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The trash

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Nancy A. May: Yep, the trash.

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So you probably heard in school over the years as a kid that archeologists

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dug up these old campsites and found animal bones that have been cracked

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open for the marrow, you know, the soft part inside, the kind that's

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being served on gourmet menus in restaurant today, and skulls opened

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for the brains, also on gourmet menus.

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I'm not eating that.

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But nothing was wasted.

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Trash always tells on people

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Trash really does, the good, bad, and disgusting in this case.

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Nancy A. May: Yes.

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And disgusting or gourmet, depending upon who you're talking about.

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how much they charge.

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Nancy A. May: That's right.

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And speaking of digging things up, I lived right next to one of these

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old camps for 30 years back in Redding, Connecticut, and walked those

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trails many a time with our pups.

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And there's a place called Putnam Park, which is also known as

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the Valley Forge of the North

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Wait, that was your backyard?

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I'm curious, did you find any musket balls?

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Nancy A. May: No, we didn't find musket balls there, but there is

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one in a tavern up in Ridgefield that's stuck in the wall still today.

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But actually, it was in our backyard.

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3,000 soldiers in the winter of 1778 , camped right in Putnam Park, and food

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was supposed to be supplied in a storage area not too far from them down the road

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right next to the food, so they must have

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been happy campers or soldiers

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Nancy A. May: Well, not quite.

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Turnips alone cost $2 to $3 a bushel

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Oh, that's even more than Publix today

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Nancy A. May: talk about inflation.

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And for these guys, they had to pay for some of their own food.

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That was an entire month's pay, and they wanted to eat.

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So they decided to go hunt down the local farmers.

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But those local farmers were not gonna feed these guys for free.

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So the Reading farmers, to save themselves and their families' stomachs,

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they stored and hid , their own food in their basements, including animals

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Are you talking pigs and cows in the basement with people?

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Nancy A. May: I am pigs and cows in the basement with people.

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Grandma's food jars, maybe even grandma's rhubarb wine.

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We've talked about that.

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Hopefully that helped with the animal stench.

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Nancy A. May: Right.

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And winter turnips and a very nervous pig all sharing space in the basement.

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I don't know how they got the cows down there, but freedom did come at a very

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expensive price and a very hungry one.

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and that same soldier who ate pumpkin seeds from a horse trough, well, he was

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supposedly camped right there in Reading too, and he complained that the beef was

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barely edible, and described it in the way that, well, the steaks might actually

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have said, "Neigh"," instead of moo"

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Of course it's that same guy

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Nancy A. May: Isn't it always the same guy that's complaining, uh, then and now?

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Exactly.

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And weirdly, starving wasn't the most dangerous food problem out there

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Nancy A. May: What could be worse than starving?

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Monotony, eating exactly the same thing every single day, salt,

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meat, flour, and no vegetables ever.

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That gives you scurvy, which we most commonly think of

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as a disease for sailors.

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It's a sickness that you get when your body doesn't get enough vitamin

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C, and it was the most common illness of the whole war, which surprised me

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Nancy A. May: And nobody knew why they were getting sick, right?

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Nobody knew why.

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They knew vegetables somehow helped, but vitamin C itself wasn't

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actually identified until 1932.

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They were treating a sickness that they didn't even know the name of

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Nancy A. May: And so that actually worked?

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Whatever they happened to try, vinegar, dried beans, sauerkraut,

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and something called spruce beer, which they learned from the Native

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Americans, and it actually worked.

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Nancy A. May: Woo-hoo, spruce beer.

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They boiled spruce tree needles and twigs with molasses.

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It tastes like pine cleaner, but it's loaded with vitamin C. It saved

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lives, yet tasted like Pine-Sol

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Nancy A. May: Well, I'm gonna challenge you on that one.

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. Because now we have a second show that we did a few years back, well,

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now two years back, two Decembers back, which is all about how to

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eat your leftover Christmas tree.

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And guess what?

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Pine needles plays a part there, of course, too, in holiday food

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And I have drank and enjoyed pine needle Christmas tree tea

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Of course you did.

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Nancy A. May: Yes.

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Next time I'll add some bugs.

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But this sets us up for the Hessians because sauerkraut is a

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story that is truly unbelievable

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Oh, it's so good.

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Hold that thought.

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That's exactly where we're headed

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time to talk about the actual enemy, the British.

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You'd think the most powerful empire on earth actually eats like kings.

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You know, tea and crumpets

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, you would think.

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Woo-hoo, tea and crumpets

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Their food had to cross an entire ocean in a wooden barrel first.

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By the time it got there, the salted beef was so old and

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dark they called it mahogany.

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They had to boil it three times just to get a bite off of it, and their hard

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biscuits were tough enough that soldiers joked they could crack a rat's tooth on it

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Nancy A. May: Ugh, I've just been to the dentist, so I can't

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even begin to think about that.

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And I believe they also had bugs again.

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You're just fascinated by bugs.

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Yes, bugs again.

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You tap it on the table to knock them loose or dunk it in something hot so the

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bugs would float to the top and you'd skim your own dinner off the surface.

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Nancy A. May: See, you do know how to eat bugs.

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But both armies somehow still have that comfort in a weird way

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because they both ate the same thing, a different kind of protein

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Y- we know that misery loves company, and apparently

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it doesn't pick sides either

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Nancy A. May: Nope, and Empire ruled the seeds.

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Still love their bugs.

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They thankfully lost it badly

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Nancy A. May: Okay, so now let's get on to the cabbage and the Haitians.

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But a quick heads up first, because when you hear the word Haitian, I automatically

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think of the movie villain, right?

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And these were the German soldiers, not movie villains necessarily, and

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they were from a place called Hesse.

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Now the Brits paid the German rulers to rent out their soldiers, and

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tens of thousands of them fought for the British side during the war

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So you're talking hired guns basically?

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, hired soldiers, hired guns.

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They weren't fighting for a cause, sadly.

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They were fighting for a paycheck, which is probably why their food and

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supplies were just as messy as ours

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Well, you know, a rented army still needs to eat

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Nancy A. May: yes, they still need to eat dinner, and they loved their cabbage.

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Germans after all.

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A lot of cabbage

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So they liked it more than just a topping on a hot dog or on a

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Reuben sandwich, , which is my favorite.

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, I don't think they had those back then, but, cabbage was

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a total comfort food for these guys, and it also just happened to keep

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scurvy away, even though they didn't know that that was part of the deal.

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On Christmas night in 1776, Washington crossed the Delaware , and surprised

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the Hessian camps at Trenton, and captured almost 1,000 of them

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And what happened after the battle?

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Nancy A. May: Well, the continental soldiers go through the German

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camp , and find their winter stored food supplies loaded with, you

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got it, cabbage, and barrels and barrels and barrels of sauerkraut

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Hidden cabbage.

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Hmm, that's a little intriguing

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Nancy A. May: Well, a little I would say, and as the story goes, they'd been to the

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local New Jersey farms asking the farmers to save it for them, the cabbage that is.

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So after the win, there's no meat left for our side, and for a while, the continental

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army is eating all that captured German sauerkraut, minus the hot dogs

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We win the battle and the prize is cabbage

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Nancy A. May: I know.

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Pretty pathetic, right?

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Hey, gotta eat

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Nancy A. May: but the Germans were right about needing the

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veggies, though, annoyingly so

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Okay.

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Before the break, get ready because wait until you hear what 2,000 cows

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from Texas have to do with this war

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Nancy A. May: There's our cue.

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Hang tight because we'll be right back

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And we're back

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Nancy A. May: So where were we?

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Oh, yeah, right.

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So almost everybody else is eating better than us, our patriot soldier friends

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So while our guys were chewing on buggy fire cake,

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we had allies helping us, and they were absolutely not eating like us

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Nancy A. May: no, they weren't unfortunately.

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But let's start with France

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Yes, our French friends.

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I like starting with France for the obvious reasons.

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France shows up in 1780, General Rochambeau with thousands of troops

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landing in Newport, and they bring their whole food culture with them.

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On the march, they build real bread ovens.

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At one camp in Chatham, New Jersey, those ovens were baking about

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3,000 loaves of fresh bread a day.

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I just can't imagine.

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Nancy A. May: Right?

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We both baked bread.

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I can't imagine doing that either, but 3,000 loaves, and our guys one

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camp over were eating their own shoes.

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Now, that's pretty pathetic

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And there's a twist.

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Those ovens were partly a trick

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Nancy A. May: A trick?

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Washington and the French cooked it up together.

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Yes, pun intended.

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all those ovens made the British think the whole army

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was staying put for a long time.

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Meanwhile, the troops were actually sneaking south to Yorktown.

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They tricked an empire with a very large bakery

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Nancy A. May: I can see it now or I can smell it now, the aroma of

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bread wafting through the fields.

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Pretty sneaky, almost as bad as, like, when you walk into the

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grocery store and the first smell that you get bread , right?

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Or chocolate chip cookies.

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Yes, - it was very sneaky bread.

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But the sad part of it that the two armies marched more than 600 miles side by side,

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and yet still ate completely separate meals, and our guys didn't even enjoy

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a single fresh loaf of French bread.

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Nancy A. May: Oh, sad

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But they loved our ham.

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There's a note from a French officer who wrote about trying Virginia ham.

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He said, "We cured it almost as good as the French back home."

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Nancy A. May: That's so French and so obnoxious.

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Yes, it is.

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But the French also would gather wild food along the way, fresh

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greens, wild herbs, real salads.

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The colonist made fun of them for it, and said the French ate weeds and frogs.

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I wonder if that's why they still call them frogs today, the French

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Nancy A. May: No, right?

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But let me guess, weeds and frogs.

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The French guys didn't get scurvy either

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No, they didn't.

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Just like today, salad wins every single time

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Nancy A. May: Honestly, I'd have eaten the salad too.

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I'm not dying on a hill for a Firecake, for sure

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No, but he should.

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Because that's not a hill, that's a grave and a stomach ache

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Nancy A. May: Yeah.

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Okay, it's my turn now.

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Let's talk about Spain.

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I get to tell this one because I didn't see it coming

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Oh, please tell me everything

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Nancy A. May: All righty.

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So here we go.

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Bernardo de Gal- Bernardo de Galvez, I love that name, was the Spanish

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governor based in New Orleans, and he was secretly moving guns and

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gunpowder up the Mississippi River to help our patriot guys, sneaking past

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the British ships the entire way.

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And to feed his own troops, he had soldiers drive thousands of cattle all the

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way from Texas, 2,000 longhorn in total.

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That was back in 1779

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Wait, all the way from Texas?

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Nancy A. May: All the way from San Antonio east to Louisiana,

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driven by Spanish cowboys.

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Yee-haw.

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The vaqueros, I think that's how you pronounce it.

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it's often called the first official long-distance

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cattle drive in Texas history

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so this is basically where the whole Texas cattle drive thing begins

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, pretty much so.

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though true to this entire episode, , the records can't

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prove the cattle ever made it

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Of course they didn't.

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Nothing in the Revolutionary War shows up on time

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Nancy A. May: Of course.

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and here's a little something to bend your spoon or fork lore, as we've said before,

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right?

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We're gonna, patent that.

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We're gonna trademark

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Nancy A. May: I think we should do, yeah, that.

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Because people picture the cowboy as a Texas and, well, California thing.

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the oldest cattle in America, they actually came ashore first in

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Florida , in 1521, Ponce de Leon brought seven Spanish cows off a

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boat, and their great-great-great grand calves, we'll call them,

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basically became the original longhorn

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. Sylvia France: So the whole American cattle story actually starts in Florida

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more than 250 years before any of this.

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We had cowboys before a cowboy was even a word.

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They actually called them cow hunters and later crackers, and

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those are actually my people

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Nancy A. May: And Spanish soldiers ate very well.

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Thick stews made with rice and chickpeas, garlic, and olive oil of

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all things, plus oranges and lemons straight from Florida and the Caribbean.

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Sign me up for that dinner

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Oh, me too garlic, olive oil, and fresh fruit I

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would've signed up for that alone, especially being , a good Florida girl

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Nancy A. May: Meanwhile, we're over here proud of ourselves for

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finding flour that's only got a little bug in it here and there

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So basically for the Spanish, there was

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no scurvy for them at all

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Nancy A. May: No, basically none, and they didn't have to worry about

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cracking a rat's tooth either.

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Here's the part that nobody taught us in school.

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There was a real fight right here in Florida in 1781 at the Siege of

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Pensacola … Where Galvez again led one of the biggest and most mixed

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battles of the entire Revolutionary War.

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, Soldiers from all over were fighting side by side

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And that mattered up north somehow?

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Nancy A. May: It did.

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It mattered a lot.

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. He kept so many British troops busy along the whole Gulf Coast they

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couldn't go help defend Cornwallis in Virginia, and that helped us

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win the final battle up in Yorktown

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A battle in Florida helped to win the war of Virginia.

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I'm so proud.

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Nancy A. May: I'm proud to be a Floridian now, too.

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But here's the twist on top of the twist: Florida wasn't even on our side

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I know.

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That's what I heard

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Nancy A. May: So Florida was British back then, split into two colonies,

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East Florida and West Florida, and you can honestly call them the

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14th and maybe the 15th colonies.

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They got invited to join the rebellion and sent people to the Continental

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Congress, and then after attending, they said, "Eh, no thanks," and stayed loyal

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to the king the entire Revolutionary War

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So our own home state turned down the Revolution

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Nancy A. May: I know, how rude, flat out.

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When the word of the Declaration of Independence reaches St. Augustine,

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people there were so angry that they burned effigies of John Hancock and Sam

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Adams right there in the town square

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Loyal in rugged Florida, yet still helped the

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colonists win just a bit sideways

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Nancy A. May: Always a little bit sideways here in Florida, to

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be honest with you.

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Right?

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Florida was such a headache for the Brits to hold on to that it tied up

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the troops and ships right down here.

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So

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the soldiers never made it north to fight

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. Sylvia France: Two Florida girls could have told them all of this, and the Dutch.

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Did I tell you that the Dutch side of my family settled Manhattan in the 1620s?

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Nancy A. May: The Dutch.

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Can we just stick to the Revolutionary War?

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I'll try.

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It's hard.

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The Dutch ran the warehouse basically.

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There's a tiny island off the Caribbean called Sint

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Eustatius, named the Golden Rock.

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It became the biggest smuggling spot of the whole war.

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Gunpowder, supplies, rum, sugar syrup, all of it got sent to our side.

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Some of that gunpowder was hidden in barrels marked tea or rice so the

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British wouldn't bother checking them

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Nancy A. May: smuggled gunpowder in a tea barrel.

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That's straight out of a spy movie

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So France brought the bread ovens, Spain brought

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the cattle and the fruit.

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The Dutch ran a secret supply depot

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Nancy A. May: And nobody was sharing recipes

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. Sylvia France: Nobody.

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It was all about who could get food and supplies to the fight first.

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Nancy A. May: And the wagons again

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Oh, goodness, you must love wagons.

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Always the wagons.

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We go back to it.

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Nancy A. May: Before we wrap up, we keep saying they cooked,

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but who was really they anyway?

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Right.

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Because left on their own, soldiers were not great cooks.

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Unlike today, most men were not- taught to cook because it

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was considered a woman's job.

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There are plenty of stories of men getting sick just from trying to

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cook and eating undercooked meat

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Nancy A. May: And an army able to take down an empire beaten

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daily by a undercooked steak

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the real kitchen experts were the camp followers, mostly women,

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wives, widows, and mothers who traveled with the army for the entire war.

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Washington complained that they slowed down everyone, but he soon

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realized that the whole army fell apart without them, which we both

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know is true in many households today.

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Nancy A. May: Yeah, for sure.

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although I do know a few good cooks who are guys, but they knew how to

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turn almost nothing into a real meal.

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Vinegar they used to soften up old, tough salted beef, wild garlic and dandelion

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leaves to cover up meat that was, eh, already going bad, maybe even green, and

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bread that was baked in ovens that they dug straight into the grounds themself

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And for that, cooking, taking care of the sick, doing laundry,

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they were paid half a normal ration.

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Kids who traveled with them got a quarter of one.

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Most of them did not receive the paperwork that would qualify

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them to be official Patriots.

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Less than 10% are documented since they did not receive a pay stub.

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I am fortunate to have found Anna Rickenbacher, my female Patriot, while

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I was actually looking for her husband

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Nancy A. May: Half a ration?

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Kid's only getting a quarter.

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First of all, that's child labor.

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Second of all, women are still getting only half, well, maybe

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three-quarters of what men are.

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but that'll be for another story, and keeping the whole army running

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in the shadows at the same time

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And there's one story I want everyone listening

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to remember by name, Polly Cooper

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Nancy A. May: Ooh, tell me about Polly

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Oh, she was an Oneida woman.

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Right after the brutal Valley Forge winter, they set out in late April.

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She and about 40 other women roughly walked 250 miles carrying

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baskets of corn to the starving army

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Nancy A. May: 250 miles on foot.

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I better get my Nikes going.

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But carrying them to people she didn't even have to help

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Correct.

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And she didn't just drop off and leave.

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She stayed and taught the soldiers how to actually cook the corn the right

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way so it wouldn't make them sick

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Nancy A. May: That's a saint, and she wouldn't take any payment, as I understand

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Not a cent.

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She said, "You don't get paid for feeding hungry people." She

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sounds like a Mother Teresa to me

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Nancy A. May: I agree.

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And then there's Nancy Hart.

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Gotta love that name, don't

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another Nancy.

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You know, we have Nancy's yogurt, now we have Nancy Hart

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Nancy A. May: Nancy is French, but anyway.

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And honestly, it's the closest thing to the high story that we've got here today.

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It's a story that's been told in Georgia for over 200 years.

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Nancy was a tall and tough patriot with a quiet temper.

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Yep, another Nancy trait.

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And a group of loyalist soldiers, burst into her cabin one day.

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They had shot her last turkey, and then ordered her to cook the darn thing

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So does she actually cook it?

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Nancy A. May: Well, temper in control, she does cook it, and she serves the turkey,

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pours them plenty of her homemade, brew.

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And then after they're eating and bragging she's quietly sliding

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their guns one at a time out through the back wall in her cabin

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She's my kind of girl, taking their guns away during dinner.

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That's so clever

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Nancy A. May: and sneaky.

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But by the time they noticed, she was holding a gun on them, , she

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keeps them there at gunpoint, likely shotgun, until help arrives.

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A whole county in Georgia is still named after her,

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And it's the only one in the entire state named for a woman.

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And you know what?

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That's really saying something, since there are 154 counties

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in the state of Georgia

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Now, whether every single detail is exactly true after

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200 years of retelling, who knows?

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Nancy A. May: but that Georgia story has been a proud story told for 200 years.

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And either way, never underestimate who's holding the spoon, the

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shotgun, or who's named Nancy.

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Never.

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I won't.

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Nancy A. May: For sure, right?

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Okay, if you only remember three things from this episode today, here they are

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One, the British weren't what starved the continental army.

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It was a broken supplies chain.

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The enemy showed up plenty of times, the food didn't

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Nancy A. May: Two, our allies basically won the food war even without trying.

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French bread, gotta love it, Spanish cattle and fruit, and the Dutch

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gunpowder hidden in a tea barrel.

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they fed and armed a revolution while our guys were eating their shoes

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And three, nobody did this alone.

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Hungry soldiers, the women who traveled with the army, and Oneida women who

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refused to be paid, they all helped build a country with whatever they had on hand

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Nancy A. May: So this month, especially on the 4th of July, tell somebody

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about the gunpowder hidden in a tea barrel, and the woman who held the

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Brits at gunpoint over a turkey.

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And that's honestly why we do all this

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Share the wild untold stories that sound like

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fiction but are actually true.

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That's how people actually remember history.

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Nancy A. May: I love that.

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So that's the soldiers, the French bread ovens, - the cabbage that was

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captured, borrowed corn, and then occasionally a… I'm stuck on this

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shoe story, I have to tell you.

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I know you are, just like the wagons.

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And somehow all of that, they fed a whole country into being

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Nancy A. May: And here's the question that's been on my mind the entire episode.

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If that's what the soldiers ate, what's happening back on the home front?

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Exactly.

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Next time, it's the home front.

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What did regular families eat while the men were off freezing and fighting?

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Farmers, shop owners, mothers running entire households alone.

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That's episode two or deux.

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Nancy A. May: Yes., So come and join us over on Facebook between episodes

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and tell us what you know , and what you've been eating on your table,

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whether it's the corn side or the wheat side or maybe the bug side.

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Leave us a review, and send this episode to a family member

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who maybe makes the gravy

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I'm sure they'll get it

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Happy cooking and happy experimenting

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Nancy A. May: bye-bye for now.

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Happy eating and happy 250th birthday, America