Why We Put Candles on a Birthday Cake? The Weird True History Behind Your Cake and Song
Birthday candles aren't Greek. They're German, and they were meant to scare off demons. Plus: the $50M fight over the Happy Birthday song. Who won?
Birthday candles didn't start with the ancient Greeks and a moon goddess, although many believe that. That's honestly pure "forklore" as we call it, with no historical record. The real origin is 18th-century Germany's Kinderfest, where families lit one candle for each year of a child's life, plus an extra "Lebenslicht" (light of life), and kept them burning all day to protect their kids from harm.
In this 100th-episode celebration of Family Food Stories, Nancy May and Sylvia France trace how that German ritual became the modern American birthday cake, why "Happy Birthday to You" was privately copyrighted for 80 years until a 2015 lawsuit revealed the company never actually owned the lyrics. Then dive into why a 1950s marketing psychologist convinced Betty Crocker to make instant cake mix harder to bake instead of easier. Along the way, they cover how other cultures mark a birthday, Korean seaweed soup, Chinese longevity noodles and peach buns, and why so many of those traditions honor the mother instead of the person turning a year older.
This is a real milestone Family Food Stories episode built around a simple idea: the cake was never really about the cake.
5 Key Lessons Learned
1. Birthday candles are German. The real story is connected to the German Kinderfest, first recorded in 1746, where a candle for each year plus one extra "to grow on" was meant to guard a child from evil spirits until sunset.
2. "Happy Birthday to You" was under private copyright until 2015. Two kindergarten teachers in 1893 Louisville wrote it as a "good morning" song, not a birthday song. A publisher later claimed roughly $2 million a year in licensing fees. Then a 2015 lawsuit proved the company never owned the words, and Warner/Chappell settled for $14 million. Sadly, the teachers never got a dime.
3. The modern birthday cake is an industrial invention, not an ancient one. Sugar and white flour were once luxury goods reserved for the wealthy. Mass production dropped prices, making the frosted birthday cake a middle-class staple. The tradition most families think of is barely a century old.
4. The "crack a fresh egg" instruction on cake mix wasn't about better cake. In the 1950s, Betty Crocker's fully powdered mix sold poorly, so a psychologist found that home bakers felt guilty. Why? Because it didn't feel like they'd made anything. Switching to a fresh egg and requiring one restored the feeling of effort, and sales took off, even though food historians note the fresh egg also just tasted better.
5. Not every culture celebrates the birthday person. In Korea, the tradition is seaweed soup — because on the day you were born, you eat what your mother ate, honoring her instead of you. Vietnam and China carry versions of the same instinct. It reframes the entire holiday: the day was never really about the person turning a year older.
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Hey everybody, I'm Nancy May and this is Family Food Stories
Nancy May:where every dish has a little bit of history and every kitchen, yes, has a
Nancy May:secret, and we know you've got one too
Sylvia France:Oh, it's probably in the back of the refrigerator somewhere.
Nancy May:Molding.
Sylvia France:No, no, no, no, no.
Sylvia France:it's fermenting.
Sylvia France:It doesn't mold I'm Sylvia Franz, and this is episode 100
Nancy May:100.
Nancy May:Can you believe it?
Nancy May:But before we start, our 100th episode ask, would you go to
Nancy May:Podcast.FamilyTreeFoodStories and share this episode with
Nancy May:somebody that you care about?
Nancy May:Because it can be your gift to them, and it's our gift from us to you, too.
Nancy May:I wanna open this show with a question that I've never even
Nancy May:thought about before, Sylvia
Sylvia France:Oh, please ask it
Nancy May:Why do we set kids' birthday desserts on fire?
Sylvia France:Oh, when you put it that way, I can see
Sylvia France:toddlers hovering over a flame
Nancy May:Yeah, not good.
Nancy May:I'm serious.
Nancy May:We actually set a dessert on fire and then put a kid in front of it who's
Nancy May:four years old with a birthday hat, sing Happy Birthday, help them blow out
Nancy May:the candles, and hopefully you haven't had too many glasses of wine yourself
Sylvia France:Oh, that's only when they're one or two.
Sylvia France:By four you c- you have to kind of like sober it up a bit but here's what got me.
Sylvia France:Not everybody does this.
Sylvia France:Whole world doesn't do cake at all
Nancy May:Well, that doesn't sound like a birthday to me, but no cake?
Sylvia France:Oh, just wait for it
Nancy May:So I'm gonna guess it is Greek because everything we've ever said before
Nancy May:somehow happened to start with the Greeks
Sylvia France:It isn't Greek and it has nothing to do with the moon, but
Sylvia France:we do have a few Greek stories here
Nancy May:then what is it?
Sylvia France:It was actually a security system and that's
Sylvia France:all I'm telling right now
Nancy May:A security system.
Nancy May:I'm calling ADT just in case,
Sylvia France:Well, ask me again a little later and I might tell you
Nancy May:Okay.
Nancy May:then take this one instead: There's only two birthday parties in the entire Bible.
Nancy May:Did you know that?
Sylvia France:Only two?
Nancy May:Yep, only two It was Pharaoh's and Herod's, and one of them,
Nancy May:the royal baker, is executed and the other, well, that's John the Baptist,
Nancy May:and we know what happened there.
Nancy May:Off with his head.
Nancy May:Yuck
Sylvia France:So both of the birthday parties in the Bible end in death.
Sylvia France:that explains a great deal about the next 1,500 years
Nancy May:We know, pretty gruesome.
Nancy May:But on that note, because we do have a tradition to uphold,
Nancy May:glasses up to 100 episodes
Sylvia France:we Are drinking Shirley Temples I understand
Nancy May:Well, it's 10 in the morning, but I might look for
Nancy May:something a little extra later on.
Nancy May:but there's a reason that we have Shirley Temples, and
Nancy May:we'll get to that later, too.
Nancy May:But here's to 100 episodes.
Nancy May:Ching ching
Sylvia France:So thank you for being here, and I'm so
Sylvia France:glad you're listening today
Nancy May:And here's something you can use before we go anywhere else.
Nancy May:At the next birthday party you go to, light one extra candle, one
Nancy May:for each year, plus just one more
Nancy May:and Stay with us and find out why it was once against the law to
Nancy May:also sing Happy Birthday in a movie
Sylvia France:Plus the one thing to say to somebody who hands you a cake
Sylvia France:that fell apart that's at the very end, and that's why we love this episode
Nancy May:But let's start with your mom, because she baked you exactly
Nancy May:one birthday cake her entire life
Sylvia France:Thank goodness.
Sylvia France:Exactly one, and it was a total catastrophe.
Sylvia France:. The entire cake held up by a whole box of toothpicks stuck straight in
Nancy May:Oh, I've seen those cakes before.
Sylvia France:Oh, she told everyone how she stayed up all night on it
Sylvia France:and it was the first cake she ever made me, and thankfully the last
Nancy May:So what happened every birthday thereafter?
Sylvia France:Oh, she ordered from the Carvel ice cream parlor.
Sylvia France:It was a tradition, an ice cream cake every single year except that one
Nancy May:Wow.
Nancy May:I love Carvel ice cream cakes, but you were okay with that one?
Sylvia France:Oh, of course.
Sylvia France:My birthday is the best day of the year except for Christmas and no added drama
Nancy May:So here's what I wanna know though.
Nancy May:Where did the carousel that you told me about come from on your cake?
Sylvia France:It came off the Carvel cake from the year before.
Sylvia France:She saved it, and when she made The Disaster, she set
Sylvia France:that carousel right on top
Nancy May:Year after year as a store topper
Sylvia France:Yep, Because to her, the carousel was what made it a birthday,
Sylvia France:and of course she thought it was beautiful
Nancy May:I'm sure it was.
Sylvia France:Yes, and I never questioned it until this week
Nancy May:Then you need to know where the carrot cake actually came from.
Nancy May:Because like your mom's cake, it was kind of an accident
Sylvia France:Oh, how?
Nancy May:Well, if you're from the Northeast, you know the old
Nancy May:commercials from Tom Carvel, and that's kind of what he sounded like.
Nancy May:In 1934 Tom Carvel is driving an ice cream truck of frozen custard around
Nancy May:Hartsdale, New York, and he gets a flat tire over a hot Memorial Day weekend
Sylvia France:So let me guess.
Sylvia France:The custard is melting, so he pulls over and sells it soft right there to whoever
Sylvia France:walks past so he doesn't lose his profits
Nancy May:Well, you know, you gotta love an entrepreneur, and
Nancy May:that's pretty much what happens.
Nancy May:So that is how the beginning of soft serve started.
Nancy May:The whole category comes from a guy who couldn't fix a flat tire
Nancy May:fast enough to get back on the road
Sylvia France:So it makes sense that my childhood exists because
Sylvia France:of a roadside damage control
Nancy May:I know, right?
Sylvia France:But here's the part I keep coming back to.
Sylvia France:You said ice cream parlor?
Sylvia France:Was that a real place?
Nancy May:It actually was.
Nancy May:It was kind of a storefront, not really a parlor, but you walked in
Nancy May:and somebody would write your name on a cake right in front of you
Sylvia France:And now I notice what happened to my family.
Sylvia France:My mother probably drove to the parlor.
Sylvia France:I admit Years later, I drove to Dairy Queen
Nancy May:So the errand survived in your house and well, I guess so did the cake
Sylvia France:Yes, and The parlor is the part that mostly went away
Sylvia France:And here's what gets me is that I can make really great cakes.
Sylvia France:I've made them since I was 11 years old from scratch, but of course my
Sylvia France:kids like the ice cream cake better
Nancy May:Dairy Queen year after year and you bought them deliberately
Nancy May:just because they wanted them.
Nancy May:I think that's pretty sweet
Sylvia France:Well, we bought the biggest cake that we could buy
Nancy May:The
Nancy May:biggest?
Sylvia France:the biggest on purpose
Nancy May:So why was it so large,
Sylvia France:Well, because we didn't want a birthday to last just one day.
Sylvia France:There was cake on Tuesday, there was cake on Thursday, the birthday that
Sylvia France:just keeps going on in the freezer.
Sylvia France:So what was really cool is my oldest, his birthday was in June, so we would
Sylvia France:buy a big one that would last till the - end of July, to my middle child,
Sylvia France:was born in September, and then we would have it until almost October 1st.
Sylvia France:So the whole entire summer and even including the dog days of
Sylvia France:summer, we had ice cream cake
Nancy May:Well, I think that's pretty cool actually.
Nancy May:It's called conservation
Sylvia France:they wanted those ice cream cakes because
Sylvia France:they knew it would last longer
Nancy May:So your mother bought it because she couldn't bake and?
Nancy May:. Sylvia France: And I bought it even though I know I could.
Nancy May:Two completely different reasons for the same ice cream cake
Nancy May:And so
Nancy May:? Sylvia France: Everybody says that the homemade one is the one that counts.
Nancy May:So was my mother taking a shortcut or was she doing better than just trying?
Nancy May:Well, let's hold that because I'm not sure you're
Nancy May:gonna like the answer to that one
Sylvia France:I've got a whole episode to sit here and worry about it
Nancy May:Yes, you do.
Nancy May:But because most of history, nobody was doing any of this before
Sylvia France:So For most of human history, nobody
Sylvia France:even knew when they were born
Nancy May:Yeah, nobody?
Nancy May:That seems kinda weird
Sylvia France:Well, it was actually just ordinary people.
Sylvia France:there was no system for writing it down unless you were royal or rich.
Sylvia France:The date just wasn't recorded anywhere
Nancy May:So birthday was kind of a paperwork invention, I
Nancy May:guess, like a birth certificate
Sylvia France:Oh, genealogists love that, so we're glad we have birth
Sylvia France:certificates yes, it needed paperwork to exist, and the earliest celebration
Sylvia France:anybody points to isn't even a birth date
Nancy May:So that seems kind of even more bizarre.
Nancy May:So what is it?
Sylvia France:Egypt, around 300 BC, a pharaoh gets crowned and
Sylvia France:and he's considered a reborn god.
Sylvia France:That's the anniversary that got written down
Nancy May:Of course, the first birthday party was a promotion for a god or a guy.
Sylvia France:um, always for a promotion, which I, you know, there's nothing
Sylvia France:wrong with that and hold that loosely.
Sylvia France:It's a popular history m- more than a really hard record
Nancy May:So what's next?
Sylvia France:Of course, the Romans.
Sylvia France:They actually throw the first party of an ordinary living person a
Sylvia France:sweet cake of flour, olive oil, and honey but again, for the men only.
Sylvia France:Dear
Nancy May:Where's Abigail
Sylvia France:I know we miss her.
Sylvia France:I know
Nancy May:Here's the part that I didn't expect, though.
Nancy May:The early Christian church banned birthdays just totally and outright
Nancy May:. They were pagan, astrology, protective spirits, all of it
Sylvia France:That's one reason.
Sylvia France:What's the other?
Nancy May:Well,
Nancy May:origin, a theologian or teacher way back when argued that you were actually born
Nancy May:into sin so the day you were born is a day you really should mourn, not celebrate
Sylvia France:That is so stark, even for the third century
Nancy May:I know, right?
Nancy May:And they mark the day a saint died instead.
Nancy May:but the real birthday is the one that you were born into heaven
Sylvia France:So your death day was considered your birthday?
Sylvia France:That's kinda weird
Nancy May:not.
Nancy May:I don't wanna start there.
Nancy May:But that's our two parties from the top of the show, Pharaoh's
Nancy May:baker and yes, John the Baptist
Sylvia France:And Ending in execution, if those are your only examples on
Sylvia France:record, you're not throwing one either
Nancy May:No, I'm not.
Nancy May:so let's talk about when it all turns around
Sylvia France:It's Christmas, more or less.
Sylvia France:You know, the most wonderful time of the year.
Sylvia France:Once the church puts a birth on the calendar for Jesus,
Sylvia France:birthdays stop looking suspicious
Nancy May:So hold on just a second because there's a version that you
Nancy May:definitely heard and it's not true
Sylvia France:Oh, please do tell.
Sylvia France:Which one?
Nancy May:Well, the not true one is, of course, with the ancient Greeks.
Nancy May:And the Greeks made a round cake for Artemis, the goddess of the moon, and
Nancy May:put candles on the cake so the round cake would glow like the moon, and the
Nancy May:smoke from the candles would carry your prayers up to heaven or to the gods
Sylvia France:Well, I read this in about nine bazillion places.
Sylvia France:You know, I kind of like it since I am a moon child because I am Cancer
Nancy May:Now, that's pretty sweet, but not so sweet for now.
Nancy May:And so what's wrong with this?
Sylvia France:And how is it wrong?
Nancy May:Well, there's no documented link between the
Nancy May:two cakes and our birthdays.
Nancy May:One historian's flat-out assessment is that the Greek and the Roman
Nancy May:origin has no support in the record.
Nancy May:It is pure folklore
Sylvia France:Not even in National Geographic?
Nancy May:Nope.
Nancy May:Their own piece admits that there is no direct record of candles
Nancy May:being put on cakes for the gods
Sylvia France:So where does this come from?
Nancy May:Well, hold tight because fire was sacred in a lot of ancient places.
Nancy May:That part is real.
Nancy May:Everybody connected the dot that's plausible, and nobody ever could prove it
Sylvia France:And it's enough story that it just kept traveling.
Sylvia France:If it's told 1,000 times, it
Sylvia France:becomes a
Nancy May:A thousand… What they say, a lie told a thousand times
Nancy May:become a truth for about a century now
Sylvia France:So I have the answer.
Sylvia France:. 300 years ago, and demons
Nancy May:Ooh, that sounds even more fun.
Sylvia France:18th century Germany, there's a children's
Sylvia France:celebration called Kinderfest or translated into Children's Festival
Nancy May:And that's the one with the cake and the candles?
Sylvia France:Cake, candles, music, games.
Sylvia France:One candle for each year, plus an extra one in the middle
Nancy May:So what's that extra one for?
Sylvia France:It's called Lebenslicht, the light of life
Nancy May:Ooh, I like that one.
Nancy May:That's such a lovely name, at least for a candle
Sylvia France:It is until you hear why it's burning.
Sylvia France:you know that German studies professor at USF, Margit grieb ? She
Sylvia France:gets exactly quoted for this
Nancy May:Ooh, so USF in Tampa?
Sylvia France:Yes, it's 20 minutes from my kitchen and I know you are
Sylvia France:on the board of economics at USF.
Nancy May:I am
Sylvia France:She explains that people believe children were especially
Sylvia France:vulnerable on their birthday.
Sylvia France:That was the day evil spirits could reach them
Nancy May:Ooh, that sounds like such a good story.
Nancy May:So I guess the candles were kind of a protection
Sylvia France:That's the read, but she's careful about it though.
Sylvia France:She calls the links to what we do now indirect, kind of
Sylvia France:a curvy, not a straight line
Nancy May:Well since we're drinking Shirley Temples, unless they're spiked,
Nancy May:we should be walking a straight line.
Nancy May:So why don't you take me on that path?
Sylvia France:So you light the bedtime and keep them burning all day.
Sylvia France:If one goes out, you replace it right then instantly
Nancy May:So these candles are burning all day.
Nancy May:That kind of sounds like pyrotechnics to me
Sylvia France:All day .. and the smoke was the channel, .. A steady stream going
Sylvia France:up meant heaven had its eye on your child
Nancy May:Ooh, and the cake is just sitting there?
Sylvia France:The cake is just sitting there and nobody touches it.
Sylvia France:Even my brother would not take a bite, not until the sun
Sylvia France:goes down and danger's passed
Nancy May:So a child gets to sit there, stare at a cake, and drool,
Nancy May:the whole thing burning for 12 hours.
Nancy May:Sounds like torture to me
Sylvia France:Yes, they stare at a cake dripping with wax the entire day, but
Sylvia France:we know the story that my brother took a bite out of my pink birthday cake.
Nancy May:No.
Sylvia France:only one my mom, my only, the only one my mom
Sylvia France:made, he took a dab out of it
Nancy May:Well, all right, I hope he got the toothpick out first,
Nancy May:but the other one is a vigil
Sylvia France:That's what it is.
Sylvia France:And then at sunset, the child makes a wish, blows them out,
Sylvia France:and finally gets a slice of cake
Nancy May:Which is probably loaded with that wax and which is the only
Nancy May:part that we actually kept today
Sylvia France:We kept the last 30 seconds of it and threw the rest away.
Sylvia France:No more demons
Nancy May:Yeah.
Nancy May:Good.
Nancy May:I like that part.
Sylvia France:Birthday candles come from 18th century Germany where parents
Sylvia France:lit one candle for each of the child's life plus an extra one to grow on and
Sylvia France:kept them burning all day to protect the child from harm and evil spirits
Nancy May:Well, that actually sounds sweet from a parent's perspective and
Nancy May:it's a lot to hand a five-year-old
Sylvia France:and that isn't even the earliest record of it
Nancy May:so the earliest written record isn't a child's at all
Sylvia France:Really?
Sylvia France:I was waiting for that.
Sylvia France:I knew , you had, had done some research
Nancy May:I certainly did.
Nancy May:Because back in May of 1746, no, I wasn't there , a guest named Andrew Frey
Nancy May:writes up a birthday festival in Germany for Count Nicholas Ludwig von Zinzendorf
Sylvia France:Say that three times.
Sylvia France:I'm so glad
Nancy May:Zinzendorf.
Nancy May:I'm trying to get my German accent going here.
Sylvia France:So what did Ray actually say?
Nancy May:Well, a cake as big as any oven could bake it.
Nancy May:It should have holes in according to the number of years of the person's age,
Nancy May:and there had to be a candle in every hole, and especially one in the middle
Sylvia France:That's our cake in 1746
Nancy May:Correct.
Nancy May:And some sources say that it was really 1747, so we'll just
Nancy May:call it mid-'40s to stay honest.
Nancy May:Because we are.
Sylvia France:And here's what got me.
Sylvia France:Zinzendorf was actually a Moravian bishop
Nancy May:So what does that have to do with it?
Sylvia France:the Moravians came first, Pennsylvania then Old Salem in
Sylvia France:North Carolina, which is my family's part of the world in both states
Nancy May:So the first candles on record belonged to a church that
Nancy May:ended up in your backyard again.
Sylvia France:Well, when your family gets here in the 1600s, what can I say?
Sylvia France:Somebody was carrying that across the ocean while my
Sylvia France:people were already down there.
Sylvia France:And there's one more piece of this ritual with a story you won't believe, the song
Nancy May:So what about the song?
Nancy May:I'm presuming Happy Birthday?
Sylvia France:Exactly.
Sylvia France:For most of your life, it was against the law to sing Happy Birthday
Sylvia France:in a movie without paying for it
Nancy May:Ooh, some greedy SOB.
Nancy May:A actual law against singing Happy Birthday
Sylvia France:Yes.
Sylvia France:… Can you believe it?
Sylvia France:The most sung song on the planet, and one company was pulling about $2
Sylvia France:million a year off of royalties from it
Nancy May:Whoa.
Nancy May:Well, I just sang happy birthday to my dear friend Diane on the phone today.
Nancy May:I'm gonna check my wallet, but I don't even know how that's possible
Nancy May:'cause I don't have that money in it.
Sylvia France:Well, back in a minute and we can figure out
Sylvia France:why it's not in your wallet
Nancy May:So stay tuned.
Nancy May:We'll be right back
Nancy May:And we're back.
Nancy May:. And I was about to try and pull $2 million out of my, well, wallet.
Sylvia France:It must be a big wallet
Nancy May:No.
Sylvia France:But in 1893, two sisters in Louisville, Kentucky Patty and Mildred
Sylvia France:Hill were actually kindergarten teachers
Nancy May:Teachers
Sylvia France:Yeah, they wrote this little greeting song for their classroom.
Sylvia France:It was not a birthday song at all.
Sylvia France:It was a good morning song
Nancy May:So the birthday song was actually a song to say hello?
Sylvia France:Yeah, the tune is hello.
Sylvia France:. Somewhere in there, people swapped out the words, and by the 1930s, the birthday
Sylvia France:version had taken over completely
Nancy May:So, and then somebody claims it, I'm gonna guess
Sylvia France:Absolutely.
Sylvia France:A publisher called Sumi registers a copyright in 1935 that eventually
Sylvia France:lands with Warner Chappell
Nancy May:Who actually starts charging for it?
Nancy May:And I'm gonna guess that teachers don't get a dime or an apple.
Sylvia France:no, they did not.
Sylvia France:So they had , roughly 2 million a year earned in licensing.
Sylvia France:Not when you sing it at your kitchen table.
Sylvia France:It was film, television, and anything commercial
Nancy May:So that's actually why every chain restaurant has its own birthday
Nancy May:clapping song, and they don't sing the plain old Happy Birthday to You song
Sylvia France:No, but I do like the sombreros, which I did in-
Sylvia France:make my ch- children endure.
Sylvia France:Those places weren't being creative.
Sylvia France:They were dodging an invoice
Nancy May:Oh, well, that's pretty sharp too.
Nancy May:I always assumed that that was a branding decision and not
Nancy May:a licensing decision, though
Nancy May:- Sylvia France: Everybody does.
Nancy May:It was a legal decision wearing a branding costume, and it
Nancy May:ran that way for many decades
Nancy May:So I'm presuming that it has ended
Nancy May:? Sylvia France: A documentary filmmaker sues them in 2013
Nancy May:And in 2000, and in 2015, a federal judge rules that the 1935
Nancy May:copyright only covered the actual piano arrangement, not the words
Sylvia France:so they made $2 million a year and they
Sylvia France:never owned the lyrics at all
Nancy May:Yeah, I call that highway robbery, That's correct.
Nancy May:Warner/Chappell settled the next year for $14 million, , and the
Nancy May:song went into the public domain
Sylvia France:I could only guess how much they had collected by then
Nancy May:Well, I guess I can close my wallet now, . but it was apparently
Nancy May:$50 million by most estimates
Sylvia France:And it was all based on two school teachers who wrote
Sylvia France:a hello song for five-year-olds
Nancy May:I know.
Nancy May:The most valuable four bars in music until a judge unwound the whole thing
Sylvia France:I do brand work for a living, and that one still gets
Sylvia France:me, and I'm sure it does you too
Nancy May:Absolutely
Nancy May:. Sylvia France: Now the part that changed how I think about the whole day, because
Nancy May:we're not only the people doing this
Nancy May:No, we're not.
Nancy May:let's start with the one you keep bringing up
Sylvia France:Oh, it's Korea.
Sylvia France:On birthday you eat miyeok-guk, seaweed soup.
Sylvia France:I think it's kind of like miso soup
Nancy May:Yeah, but still, for breakfast?
Nancy May:I'll take pancakes instead, thank you
Sylvia France:Well, in Vietnam they have pho for breakfast,
Sylvia France:so I guess it's an Asian thing.
Nancy May:I'm glad I'm in Florida.
Nancy May:, Sylvia France: here's why.
Nancy May:So on the day you were born, you ate what she ate.
Nancy May:The day points back to her as it should
Nancy May:So that reorders the entire birthday celebration
Sylvia France:It does.
Sylvia France:We spend our birthday being celebrated, and they spend it remembering who
Sylvia France:did the work and gave birth to them
Nancy May:So there's a question for your own mom, dear listener.
Nancy May:What did she eat the week that you were born, or the day you were born?
Sylvia France:Nobody ever asked that.
Sylvia France:So ask it and write it down somewhere that isn't on your phone.
Sylvia France:Okay, I admit I had a pastrami sandwich from an amazing deli
Sylvia France:the week my oldest was born
Nancy May:Well, i'm gonna guess my mom was eating a snow cone
Nancy May:because I was born in a blizzard
Nancy May:I'm gonna be thinking about that for quite some time.
Sylvia France:Me too and guess what?
Sylvia France:, China has two of these
Nancy May:So the first one is longevity noodles.
Nancy May:One single long noodle and you're not supposed to bite through it
Sylvia France:So what happens if you bite it?
Nancy May:Well, yeah.
Nancy May:Here's the deal.
Nancy May:.. Superstition says you're cutting your own life short if you
Nancy May:chop it or bite it in half.
Nancy May:So people actually carefully slurp, ah, very carefully to make sure that
Nancy May:their life doesn't get cut short
Sylvia France:And the second one is the one I love.
Sylvia France:. Steam buns shaped and blushed to look like peaches for their elders
Nancy May:Well, we did a whole segment on peaches, didn't we?
Sylvia France:Oh yes, Father's Day, the fruit of immortality, , and here it is
Sylvia France:again on grandmother's birthday table
Nancy May:Mine, mine is actually a lot less deep because we're
Nancy May:heading on over to Germany
Sylvia France:Again,
Nancy May:again
Sylvia France:where the rules I understand go backwards from ours
Nancy May:Well, you gotta tell me about backwards
Sylvia France:So you throw your own party.
Sylvia France:You buy the drinks, and in a lot of places you bake your own cake and
Sylvia France:carry it to work and the party itself
Nancy May:I might need the royalties from Happy Birthday for this one.
Nancy May:So we wouldn't survive that one.
Nancy May:and do not wish anybody a happy birthday early in Germany either, . because
Nancy May:in Greece and in Germany, wishing an early happy birthday is bad luck
Sylvia France:And I have absolutely done that, so apologies
Sylvia France:to Matthew who lived in Athens
Nancy May:Well, you better stop it now.
Nancy May:But before we leave our world tour, you owe me the reason for the Shirley Temple
Sylvia France:I do, and it started somewhere strange.
Sylvia France:There's no traditional birthday drink anywhere.
Nancy May:Okay, but , for 400 years of cake lore and folklore, a glass or a
Nancy May:drink has nothing to do with a birthday?
Sylvia France:Every list I found is just generic party booze or champagne
Sylvia France:except one, the Shirley Temple
Nancy May:So, um, tell me more about that
Sylvia France:It was 1930s Hollywood.
Sylvia France:The story goes she was out at dinner while the adults had cocktails
Sylvia France:and she had nothing fun to sip
Nancy May:Of course she was Shirley Temple.
Nancy May:She was adorable.
Nancy May:She was always fun, so somebody had to make her something that she could enjoy
Sylvia France:Yes.
Sylvia France:Ginger ale, grenadine, and a cherry.
Sylvia France:And I do admit I've had them a couple times when my
Sylvia France:grandfather took me out to dinner
Nancy May:And my folks used to always get one for my sister
Nancy May:and myself when we were out too.
Nancy May:And the three restaurants that claim it are Chasen's, the Brown Derby, and
Nancy May:the Royal Hawaiian, and nobody has ever actually settled who made it first
Sylvia France:And she loved it, presumably
Nancy May:No, she hated it.
Nancy May:She told NPR in 1986 that they were too sweet and she called
Nancy May:them in typical Shirley Temple style, "Ew, that's icky." She had
Nancy May:nothing to do with even inventing it
Sylvia France:So she spent her whole life being handed a drink she couldn't stand?
Nancy May:Well, she was polite about it at least every single time
Sylvia France:But look at what it actually is, the only drink
Sylvia France:ever invented so a child could feel included at a grownup's table
Nancy May:Which is the same instinct as, the cake
Sylvia France:Same instinct as the whole day
Sylvia France:. And the cake, when does a regular family actually get one?
Nancy May:This is the part I like because it's kind of economics.
Nancy May:Sugar and white flour were originally luxury goods.
Nancy May:A frosted cake was a rich person's object.
Sylvia France:Let me guess, until factories
Nancy May:Of course, it's always something like that.
Nancy May:Mass production drops the price of sugar, flour, and yes, baking powder,
Nancy May:and suddenly a middle class family can do what only the wealthy people did
Sylvia France:So the modern-day American birthday cake isn't ancient.
Sylvia France:It's actually industrial
Nancy May:Yep, the cake is industrial, which is where
Nancy May:it gets a little complicated
Sylvia France:Oh, complicated how?
Sylvia France:- Nancy May: Well, in 1950s, General Mills puts out a Betty Crocker mix or a
Sylvia France:cake mix with an egg already in it, you know, the powdered kind, and all you
Sylvia France:had to do was add water, mix, and bake.
Sylvia France:That was the whole job
Sylvia France:It sounds like a runway hit to me
Nancy May:Well, you think you would've had one, but it kinda stalled,
Nancy May:so they bring in a psychologist named Ernst Dichter to find out why
Sylvia France:So what did he find?
Nancy May:Well, they should have called in the women first but he
Nancy May:found that women actually felt guilty.
Nancy May:It was too easy.
Nancy May:It didn't even feel like they were making anything or doing
Nancy May:anything special for their family
Sylvia France:So he takes it out because of psychology, not to save money
Nancy May:Correct.
Nancy May:He takes out the powdered egg and you have to crack a fresh one and add that egg,
Nancy May:and sales actually took off from there
Sylvia France:I have told that story in many pitch meetings
Nancy May:And but here's the bend then.
Nancy May:Because food historian Laura Shapiro looked at it and pointed
Nancy May:out what everybody leaves out
Sylvia France:Which is?
Nancy May:Well, fresh eggs just made the cakes taste better.
Nancy May:the complete mix, , the original one from the Betty Crocker stuck
Nancy May:to the pan and had kind of a poor texture and tasted too eggy, believe
Nancy May:it or not, with the powdered egg
Sylvia France:So it sounds like it was more of a chemistry
Sylvia France:issue and not a psychology issue
Nancy May:Well, I think it might've been a little bit of both.
Nancy May:Because not General Mills, but now Pillsbury kept on doing the same
Nancy May:thing and sold the complete mix with no problem and did just fine
Sylvia France:That's really annoying, but I do believe it
Nancy May:I know it is annoying, But the tidy version is just a little too tidy
Sylvia France:But I'd argue it stuck around for 70 years because
Sylvia France:it's pointing at something real
Nancy May:Which is what?
Sylvia France:That the egg was never the person eating the cake.
Sylvia France:The egg is for the baker.
Sylvia France:It's proof to yourself that you actually did something
Nancy May:Which is the answer to your question from minute four in the show.
Nancy May:You're not going to love it though.
Sylvia France:Uh-oh.
Sylvia France:Say it though
Nancy May:Your mother skipped the part that was about her.
Nancy May:She went straight to the part that was really about you,
Nancy May:kind of like adding the egg
Sylvia France:Aw, that sounds so sweet.
Sylvia France:And she can tell everybody how wonderful she was.
Nancy May:it's a mom thing.
Nancy May:She knew she wasn't a baker, so she knew exactly what her child or her daughter
Nancy May:wanted, and that wasn't a shortcut.
Nancy May:She was paying attention to you whether you knew it or not
Sylvia France:And I did it with a kitchen full of flour.
Sylvia France:I could have made the boys anything, but I bought the one they
Sylvia France:actually wanted, the ice cream cake
Nancy May:Correct.
Nancy May:So the gift was never the effort.
Nancy May:It was knowing who you were actually feeding and why
Sylvia France:that reframed the entire thing I believed walking in here
Nancy May:And it's why I wanna tell you about my dad, because this
Nancy May:is kind of like the same story, but from a different side of life.
Nancy May:It starts with his 98th birthday
Sylvia France:Your dad, you've told the stories, and you love him so much
Nancy May:I do, and I'm gonna tell it to everybody here.
Nancy May:Because my dad, well, we did the whole thing.
Nancy May:Everybody was there.
Nancy May:98th birthday, although he thought it was 99.
Nancy May:There was champagne, and we had a house full of people
Sylvia France:So I only can guess how much champagne there was
Nancy May:Well, it was gonna be a big hoopla, and it was.
Nancy May:So I was in charge of the glasses, and I kept everybody's full.
Sylvia France:Nancy
Nancy May:Yes, including Dad's.
Nancy May:He was, after all, 98, and at the end of the night, he leans over to Millie,
Nancy May:our lead aide, and says very quietly, "I think I'm just a little drunk."
Sylvia France:I love it.
Sylvia France:He turned himself in
Nancy May:Well, kind of.
Nancy May:He did turn himself in and she got him to bed safely, 'cause he did ask for help.
Nancy May:And then the girls and I kept going after everybody else was asleep and
Nancy May:had gone, still toasting him and my mom
Sylvia France:It sounds like the good kind of a long night and a long day
Nancy May:Oh, it was.
Nancy May:We've got other stories from that night too.
Nancy May:But there was also birthday 99
Sylvia France:Oh, how could it be better than 98?
Nancy May:Well, first of all, he had a 99th birthday.
Nancy May:That was a good one.
Nancy May:But he was in the hospital that morning that he turned 99, in cardiac
Nancy May:care, and that was the last time he was ever there in the hospital.
Nancy May:Kind of thank goodness and not so.
Sylvia France:Oh, Nancy
Nancy May:I know, but the nurses on that unit were just incredibly
Nancy May:special, and nobody asked them.
Nancy May:They went out on their own and they bought him a birthday cake, a card which they
Nancy May:all signed, and a big bouquet of balloons
Sylvia France:How amazing it was on their own
Nancy May:They did.
Nancy May:And they found out somewhere, somehow, that chocolate was my
Nancy May:dad's favorite, so they went out and they got him a chocolate cake, the
Nancy May:most delicious chocolate cake ever.
Nancy May:And they all came into the room and sang him a big happy birthday
Sylvia France:Those nurses were amazing that they did that
Nancy May:They were.
Nancy May:They did that, and I'm telling you, that was the best chocolate
Nancy May:cake and probably one of the best birthday memories I've ever had
Sylvia France:I don't think it had really anything to do with the chocolate cake
Nancy May:No, it wasn't about the cake.
Nancy May:for sure
Sylvia France:They found out that chocolate was his favorite.
Sylvia France:That's the whole thing right here.
Sylvia France:They cared about your dad before they even bought the cake
Nancy May:Yes.
Nancy May:And that's the part, like I said, I'll always remember and the look
Nancy May:on his face, as tired as he was
Sylvia France:which brings us back around because this is our 100th episode
Nancy May:And it turns out 100 is a real milestone and real rituals attached.
Nancy May:You know, Dad said he wanted to get to 120.
Nancy May:I think we've got a few more in our shows, don't you, Sylvia?
Sylvia France:I think we're gonna make it to 220, to be honest
Nancy May:and more.
Nancy May:So what happens next?
Sylvia France:So can you tell me a little bit about what happens when
Sylvia France:somebody actually does turn 100?
Nancy May:Well, in the UK you get a letter from the monarch.
Nancy May:Well, in this case, it's now King Charles, and you have to apply.
Nancy May:It's not automatic
Sylvia France:Here in the States, you can request a greeting card signed by
Sylvia France:the president, but Ireland is the one I love because you get paid to be 100
Nancy May:Ooh, I think we need to sign up for that one.
Nancy May:But who pays you?
Sylvia France:It's called The Centurion Bounty: A Letter From
Sylvia France:the President and 2,540 Euro
Nancy May:Ooh, for being alive?
Nancy May:or maybe having 100 podcasts.
Nancy May:And every year thereafter, , they send you a commemorative
Nancy May:coin, a new design each year
Sylvia France:And there's a practical problem at that age
Nancy May:You can't put 100 candles lit on a cake.
Nancy May:At least it's a hard one.
Nancy May:The frosting melts into kind of.
Nancy May:A fire hazard
Sylvia France:So what do people do?
Sylvia France:Can they buy something on Amazon?
Nancy May:Well, pretty close.
Nancy May:There's actually a product for it.
Nancy May:It's a tiered stand that goes around the cake, and yes, it
Nancy May:actually holds 100 candles safely.
Nancy May:We're gonna have to find that and do one ourselves.
Nancy May:… Sylvia France: So , it sounds like someone built a scaffolding for candles
Nancy May:. Nancy May: Yes, scaffolding … Because we're not giving up on fire for sure
Sylvia France:So five things to take with you, and we're trading them here
Nancy May:One, light the extra candle, one per year plus one for the year ahead
Sylvia France:That's called Lebenslicht, the light of life.
Sylvia France:10 seconds to explain it to a kid, and they'll remember it,
Nancy May:Two, if anybody tells you your birthday candles came from
Nancy May:the ancient Greeks they are wrong
Sylvia France:Nope, it's 18th century Germany, and it's worth remembering how
Sylvia France:far a good story travels with nothing under it, good folklore or bended spoon
Nancy May:Three, ask your mother what she ate the week you were born
Sylvia France:That's the Korean idea.
Sylvia France:The day points back at her.
Sylvia France:Ask it.
Sylvia France:Write the answer down somewhere permanent.
Sylvia France:You know, paper and ink
Nancy May:Mm, or our book.
Nancy May:and four, don't wish anybody happy birthday early.
Nancy May:In Germany and Greece, both count as really bad luck
Sylvia France:And if you're the birthday person over there, you're hosting.
Sylvia France:You buy the drinks and you bring the cake
Nancy May:You might need those royalties.
Nancy May:Five, stop asking whether you made it or anybody else made it.
Nancy May:Ask who it was for
Sylvia France:My mother couldn't bake, so she bought the cake.
Sylvia France:I can bake, and I still bought an ice cream cake
Nancy May:And the nurses bought the chocolate cake because
Nancy May:they found out what he loved
Sylvia France:The gift was never the effort.
Sylvia France:- People get what they actually want, and when somebody does it for you, say thank
Sylvia France:you first, even if it's falling apart
Nancy May:For sure.
Nancy May:So the next time anybody asks you why we put candles on a cake
Sylvia France:It isn't Greek and it isn't about the moon.
Sylvia France:It's 300 years old, it's German, and it started out with a shield from the demons
Nancy May:We should probably do this for an October show instead.
Nancy May:But here's our 100th episode ask of you.
Nancy May:Tell us about your cake and your birthday stories
Nancy May:.. Sylvia France: Tell us about the one that fell apart, the one that somebody stayed
Nancy May:all night to make, the one you still make, and the one that someone truly appreciated
Nancy May:And send it to us on our show page at podcast@familytreefoodstories,
Nancy May:or post it in our Facebook group also, Family Tree Food Stories.
Nancy May:we read every one.
Nancy May:We'd love to put your story on the next show
Nancy May:… Sylvia France: You wanted to write it down somewhere first, possibly in our
Nancy May:book, Family Tree Food and Stories, but it's important that it's somewhere
Nancy May:permanent for when you're done talking
Nancy May:And if this show has been in your kitchen, which we hope, or in your
Nancy May:ears in your car while you're driving, any part of these 100 episodes, send it
Nancy May:to somebody else that you know likes a good story and, yes, something delicious.
Nancy May:It can be your gift to them because it's our gift to you
Sylvia France:That's the present.
Sylvia France:Glasses up
Nancy May:Glasses up to 100 episodes,
Nancy May:Or to anyone who poured an extra glass of champagne for their dad.
Nancy May:And to the ones who told them that they love them and that they're beautiful.
Nancy May:And next week we're talking about, yes, Peter Pepped up Pickled Peppers.
Nancy May:Say that three times fast.
Sylvia France:That really sounds like maybe a stinky
Sylvia France:but a harmless episode to me
Nancy May:Well, here's the problem.
Nancy May:A lot of what you will read about, where pickles comes from was written by a
Nancy May:trade association, and there's a lot more
Sylvia France:Written by the industry.
Sylvia France:That's not the first story I've heard about that
Nancy May:No, no, no.
Nancy May:and then reprinted as history by outlets you don't trust.
Nancy May:Stay tuned because we found the marketing copy that traces back on this one.
Nancy May:So, as we always like to say, every meal has a story, and every story's a feast
Sylvia France:And a few secrets along the way.
Sylvia France:So bye everyone.
Sylvia France:Thank you so much for listening to our 100th episode.
Sylvia France:Happy cooking and happy experimenting
Nancy May:Bye-bye.
Nancy May:Till next time.
Nancy May:Cheers.