Aug. 20, 2026

Why We Put Candles on a Birthday Cake? The Weird True History Behind Your Cake and Song

Why We Put Candles on a Birthday Cake? The Weird True History Behind Your Cake and Song
Why We Put Candles on a Birthday Cake? The Weird True History Behind Your Cake and Song
Family Tree, Food & Stories
Why We Put Candles on a Birthday Cake? The Weird True History Behind Your Cake and Song

Birthday candles aren't Greek. They're German, and they were meant to scare off demons. Plus: the $50M fight over the Happy Birthday song. Who won?

Birthday candles didn't start with the ancient Greeks and a moon goddess, although many believe that. That's honestly pure "forklore" as we call it, with no historical record. The real origin is 18th-century Germany's Kinderfest, where families lit one candle for each year of a child's life, plus an extra "Lebenslicht" (light of life), and kept them burning all day to protect their kids from harm.

In this 100th-episode celebration of Family Food Stories, Nancy May and Sylvia France trace how that German ritual became the modern American birthday cake, why "Happy Birthday to You" was privately copyrighted for 80 years until a 2015 lawsuit revealed the company never actually owned the lyrics. Then dive into why a 1950s marketing psychologist convinced Betty Crocker to make instant cake mix harder to bake instead of easier. Along the way, they cover how other cultures mark a birthday, Korean seaweed soup, Chinese longevity noodles and peach buns, and why so many of those traditions honor the mother instead of the person turning a year older.

This is a real milestone Family Food Stories episode built around a simple idea: the cake was never really about the cake.

5 Key Lessons Learned

1. Birthday candles are German. The real story is connected to the German Kinderfest, first recorded in 1746, where a candle for each year plus one extra "to grow on" was meant to guard a child from evil spirits until sunset.

2. "Happy Birthday to You" was under private copyright until 2015. Two kindergarten teachers in 1893 Louisville wrote it as a "good morning" song, not a birthday song. A publisher later claimed roughly $2 million a year in licensing fees. Then a 2015 lawsuit proved the company never owned the words, and Warner/Chappell settled for $14 million. Sadly, the teachers never got a dime.

3. The modern birthday cake is an industrial invention, not an ancient one. Sugar and white flour were once luxury goods reserved for the wealthy. Mass production dropped prices, making the frosted birthday cake a middle-class staple. The tradition most families think of is barely a century old.

4. The "crack a fresh egg" instruction on cake mix wasn't about better cake. In the 1950s, Betty Crocker's fully powdered mix sold poorly, so a psychologist found that home bakers felt guilty. Why? Because it didn't feel like they'd made anything. Switching to a fresh egg and requiring one restored the feeling of effort, and sales took off, even though food historians note the fresh egg also just tasted better.

5. Not every culture celebrates the birthday person. In Korea, the tradition is seaweed soup — because on the day you were born, you eat what your mother ate, honoring her instead of you. Vietnam and China carry versions of the same instinct. It reframes the entire holiday: the day was never really about the person turning a year older.

We'd Love to Hear Your Birthday Stories!

Share this episode with one person who has a birthday story worth telling. Then send us yours:

  • A surprise that became a tradition
  • A disaster that became a legend
  • A ritual that started by accident and never stopped
  • A moment someone got it exactly right

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Next Thursday: we're jumping into a barrel of pickles. Yes, that's right... There's going to be more learning and fun than a barrel of monkeys in a pickle barrel for sure!

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Nancy May:

Hey everybody, I'm Nancy May and this is Family Food Stories

Nancy May:

where every dish has a little bit of history and every kitchen, yes, has a

Nancy May:

secret, and we know you've got one too

Sylvia France:

Oh, it's probably in the back of the refrigerator somewhere.

Nancy May:

Molding.

Sylvia France:

No, no, no, no, no.

Sylvia France:

it's fermenting.

Sylvia France:

It doesn't mold I'm Sylvia Franz, and this is episode 100

Nancy May:

100.

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Can you believe it?

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But before we start, our 100th episode ask, would you go to

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Podcast.FamilyTreeFoodStories and share this episode with

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somebody that you care about?

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Because it can be your gift to them, and it's our gift from us to you, too.

Nancy May:

I wanna open this show with a question that I've never even

Nancy May:

thought about before, Sylvia

Sylvia France:

Oh, please ask it

Nancy May:

Why do we set kids' birthday desserts on fire?

Sylvia France:

Oh, when you put it that way, I can see

Sylvia France:

toddlers hovering over a flame

Nancy May:

Yeah, not good.

Nancy May:

I'm serious.

Nancy May:

We actually set a dessert on fire and then put a kid in front of it who's

Nancy May:

four years old with a birthday hat, sing Happy Birthday, help them blow out

Nancy May:

the candles, and hopefully you haven't had too many glasses of wine yourself

Sylvia France:

Oh, that's only when they're one or two.

Sylvia France:

By four you c- you have to kind of like sober it up a bit but here's what got me.

Sylvia France:

Not everybody does this.

Sylvia France:

Whole world doesn't do cake at all

Nancy May:

Well, that doesn't sound like a birthday to me, but no cake?

Sylvia France:

Oh, just wait for it

Nancy May:

So I'm gonna guess it is Greek because everything we've ever said before

Nancy May:

somehow happened to start with the Greeks

Sylvia France:

It isn't Greek and it has nothing to do with the moon, but

Sylvia France:

we do have a few Greek stories here

Nancy May:

then what is it?

Sylvia France:

It was actually a security system and that's

Sylvia France:

all I'm telling right now

Nancy May:

A security system.

Nancy May:

I'm calling ADT just in case,

Sylvia France:

Well, ask me again a little later and I might tell you

Nancy May:

Okay.

Nancy May:

then take this one instead: There's only two birthday parties in the entire Bible.

Nancy May:

Did you know that?

Sylvia France:

Only two?

Nancy May:

Yep, only two It was Pharaoh's and Herod's, and one of them,

Nancy May:

the royal baker, is executed and the other, well, that's John the Baptist,

Nancy May:

and we know what happened there.

Nancy May:

Off with his head.

Nancy May:

Yuck

Sylvia France:

So both of the birthday parties in the Bible end in death.

Sylvia France:

that explains a great deal about the next 1,500 years

Nancy May:

We know, pretty gruesome.

Nancy May:

But on that note, because we do have a tradition to uphold,

Nancy May:

glasses up to 100 episodes

Sylvia France:

we Are drinking Shirley Temples I understand

Nancy May:

Well, it's 10 in the morning, but I might look for

Nancy May:

something a little extra later on.

Nancy May:

but there's a reason that we have Shirley Temples, and

Nancy May:

we'll get to that later, too.

Nancy May:

But here's to 100 episodes.

Nancy May:

Ching ching

Sylvia France:

So thank you for being here, and I'm so

Sylvia France:

glad you're listening today

Nancy May:

And here's something you can use before we go anywhere else.

Nancy May:

At the next birthday party you go to, light one extra candle, one

Nancy May:

for each year, plus just one more

Nancy May:

and Stay with us and find out why it was once against the law to

Nancy May:

also sing Happy Birthday in a movie

Sylvia France:

Plus the one thing to say to somebody who hands you a cake

Sylvia France:

that fell apart that's at the very end, and that's why we love this episode

Nancy May:

But let's start with your mom, because she baked you exactly

Nancy May:

one birthday cake her entire life

Sylvia France:

Thank goodness.

Sylvia France:

Exactly one, and it was a total catastrophe.

Sylvia France:

. The entire cake held up by a whole box of toothpicks stuck straight in

Nancy May:

Oh, I've seen those cakes before.

Sylvia France:

Oh, she told everyone how she stayed up all night on it

Sylvia France:

and it was the first cake she ever made me, and thankfully the last

Nancy May:

So what happened every birthday thereafter?

Sylvia France:

Oh, she ordered from the Carvel ice cream parlor.

Sylvia France:

It was a tradition, an ice cream cake every single year except that one

Nancy May:

Wow.

Nancy May:

I love Carvel ice cream cakes, but you were okay with that one?

Sylvia France:

Oh, of course.

Sylvia France:

My birthday is the best day of the year except for Christmas and no added drama

Nancy May:

So here's what I wanna know though.

Nancy May:

Where did the carousel that you told me about come from on your cake?

Sylvia France:

It came off the Carvel cake from the year before.

Sylvia France:

She saved it, and when she made The Disaster, she set

Sylvia France:

that carousel right on top

Nancy May:

Year after year as a store topper

Sylvia France:

Yep, Because to her, the carousel was what made it a birthday,

Sylvia France:

and of course she thought it was beautiful

Nancy May:

I'm sure it was.

Sylvia France:

Yes, and I never questioned it until this week

Nancy May:

Then you need to know where the carrot cake actually came from.

Nancy May:

Because like your mom's cake, it was kind of an accident

Sylvia France:

Oh, how?

Nancy May:

Well, if you're from the Northeast, you know the old

Nancy May:

commercials from Tom Carvel, and that's kind of what he sounded like.

Nancy May:

In 1934 Tom Carvel is driving an ice cream truck of frozen custard around

Nancy May:

Hartsdale, New York, and he gets a flat tire over a hot Memorial Day weekend

Sylvia France:

So let me guess.

Sylvia France:

The custard is melting, so he pulls over and sells it soft right there to whoever

Sylvia France:

walks past so he doesn't lose his profits

Nancy May:

Well, you know, you gotta love an entrepreneur, and

Nancy May:

that's pretty much what happens.

Nancy May:

So that is how the beginning of soft serve started.

Nancy May:

The whole category comes from a guy who couldn't fix a flat tire

Nancy May:

fast enough to get back on the road

Sylvia France:

So it makes sense that my childhood exists because

Sylvia France:

of a roadside damage control

Nancy May:

I know, right?

Sylvia France:

But here's the part I keep coming back to.

Sylvia France:

You said ice cream parlor?

Sylvia France:

Was that a real place?

Nancy May:

It actually was.

Nancy May:

It was kind of a storefront, not really a parlor, but you walked in

Nancy May:

and somebody would write your name on a cake right in front of you

Sylvia France:

And now I notice what happened to my family.

Sylvia France:

My mother probably drove to the parlor.

Sylvia France:

I admit Years later, I drove to Dairy Queen

Nancy May:

So the errand survived in your house and well, I guess so did the cake

Sylvia France:

Yes, and The parlor is the part that mostly went away

Sylvia France:

And here's what gets me is that I can make really great cakes.

Sylvia France:

I've made them since I was 11 years old from scratch, but of course my

Sylvia France:

kids like the ice cream cake better

Nancy May:

Dairy Queen year after year and you bought them deliberately

Nancy May:

just because they wanted them.

Nancy May:

I think that's pretty sweet

Sylvia France:

Well, we bought the biggest cake that we could buy

Nancy May:

The

Nancy May:

biggest?

Sylvia France:

the biggest on purpose

Nancy May:

So why was it so large,

Sylvia France:

Well, because we didn't want a birthday to last just one day.

Sylvia France:

There was cake on Tuesday, there was cake on Thursday, the birthday that

Sylvia France:

just keeps going on in the freezer.

Sylvia France:

So what was really cool is my oldest, his birthday was in June, so we would

Sylvia France:

buy a big one that would last till the - end of July, to my middle child,

Sylvia France:

was born in September, and then we would have it until almost October 1st.

Sylvia France:

So the whole entire summer and even including the dog days of

Sylvia France:

summer, we had ice cream cake

Nancy May:

Well, I think that's pretty cool actually.

Nancy May:

It's called conservation

Sylvia France:

they wanted those ice cream cakes because

Sylvia France:

they knew it would last longer

Nancy May:

So your mother bought it because she couldn't bake and?

Nancy May:

. Sylvia France: And I bought it even though I know I could.

Nancy May:

Two completely different reasons for the same ice cream cake

Nancy May:

And so

Nancy May:

? Sylvia France: Everybody says that the homemade one is the one that counts.

Nancy May:

So was my mother taking a shortcut or was she doing better than just trying?

Nancy May:

Well, let's hold that because I'm not sure you're

Nancy May:

gonna like the answer to that one

Sylvia France:

I've got a whole episode to sit here and worry about it

Nancy May:

Yes, you do.

Nancy May:

But because most of history, nobody was doing any of this before

Sylvia France:

So For most of human history, nobody

Sylvia France:

even knew when they were born

Nancy May:

Yeah, nobody?

Nancy May:

That seems kinda weird

Sylvia France:

Well, it was actually just ordinary people.

Sylvia France:

there was no system for writing it down unless you were royal or rich.

Sylvia France:

The date just wasn't recorded anywhere

Nancy May:

So birthday was kind of a paperwork invention, I

Nancy May:

guess, like a birth certificate

Sylvia France:

Oh, genealogists love that, so we're glad we have birth

Sylvia France:

certificates yes, it needed paperwork to exist, and the earliest celebration

Sylvia France:

anybody points to isn't even a birth date

Nancy May:

So that seems kind of even more bizarre.

Nancy May:

So what is it?

Sylvia France:

Egypt, around 300 BC, a pharaoh gets crowned and

Sylvia France:

and he's considered a reborn god.

Sylvia France:

That's the anniversary that got written down

Nancy May:

Of course, the first birthday party was a promotion for a god or a guy.

Sylvia France:

um, always for a promotion, which I, you know, there's nothing

Sylvia France:

wrong with that and hold that loosely.

Sylvia France:

It's a popular history m- more than a really hard record

Nancy May:

So what's next?

Sylvia France:

Of course, the Romans.

Sylvia France:

They actually throw the first party of an ordinary living person a

Sylvia France:

sweet cake of flour, olive oil, and honey but again, for the men only.

Sylvia France:

Dear

Nancy May:

Where's Abigail

Sylvia France:

I know we miss her.

Sylvia France:

I know

Nancy May:

Here's the part that I didn't expect, though.

Nancy May:

The early Christian church banned birthdays just totally and outright

Nancy May:

. They were pagan, astrology, protective spirits, all of it

Sylvia France:

That's one reason.

Sylvia France:

What's the other?

Nancy May:

Well,

Nancy May:

origin, a theologian or teacher way back when argued that you were actually born

Nancy May:

into sin so the day you were born is a day you really should mourn, not celebrate

Sylvia France:

That is so stark, even for the third century

Nancy May:

I know, right?

Nancy May:

And they mark the day a saint died instead.

Nancy May:

but the real birthday is the one that you were born into heaven

Sylvia France:

So your death day was considered your birthday?

Sylvia France:

That's kinda weird

Nancy May:

not.

Nancy May:

I don't wanna start there.

Nancy May:

But that's our two parties from the top of the show, Pharaoh's

Nancy May:

baker and yes, John the Baptist

Sylvia France:

And Ending in execution, if those are your only examples on

Sylvia France:

record, you're not throwing one either

Nancy May:

No, I'm not.

Nancy May:

so let's talk about when it all turns around

Sylvia France:

It's Christmas, more or less.

Sylvia France:

You know, the most wonderful time of the year.

Sylvia France:

Once the church puts a birth on the calendar for Jesus,

Sylvia France:

birthdays stop looking suspicious

Nancy May:

So hold on just a second because there's a version that you

Nancy May:

definitely heard and it's not true

Sylvia France:

Oh, please do tell.

Sylvia France:

Which one?

Nancy May:

Well, the not true one is, of course, with the ancient Greeks.

Nancy May:

And the Greeks made a round cake for Artemis, the goddess of the moon, and

Nancy May:

put candles on the cake so the round cake would glow like the moon, and the

Nancy May:

smoke from the candles would carry your prayers up to heaven or to the gods

Sylvia France:

Well, I read this in about nine bazillion places.

Sylvia France:

You know, I kind of like it since I am a moon child because I am Cancer

Nancy May:

Now, that's pretty sweet, but not so sweet for now.

Nancy May:

And so what's wrong with this?

Sylvia France:

And how is it wrong?

Nancy May:

Well, there's no documented link between the

Nancy May:

two cakes and our birthdays.

Nancy May:

One historian's flat-out assessment is that the Greek and the Roman

Nancy May:

origin has no support in the record.

Nancy May:

It is pure folklore

Sylvia France:

Not even in National Geographic?

Nancy May:

Nope.

Nancy May:

Their own piece admits that there is no direct record of candles

Nancy May:

being put on cakes for the gods

Sylvia France:

So where does this come from?

Nancy May:

Well, hold tight because fire was sacred in a lot of ancient places.

Nancy May:

That part is real.

Nancy May:

Everybody connected the dot that's plausible, and nobody ever could prove it

Sylvia France:

And it's enough story that it just kept traveling.

Sylvia France:

If it's told 1,000 times, it

Sylvia France:

becomes a

Nancy May:

A thousand… What they say, a lie told a thousand times

Nancy May:

become a truth for about a century now

Sylvia France:

So I have the answer.

Sylvia France:

. 300 years ago, and demons

Nancy May:

Ooh, that sounds even more fun.

Sylvia France:

18th century Germany, there's a children's

Sylvia France:

celebration called Kinderfest or translated into Children's Festival

Nancy May:

And that's the one with the cake and the candles?

Sylvia France:

Cake, candles, music, games.

Sylvia France:

One candle for each year, plus an extra one in the middle

Nancy May:

So what's that extra one for?

Sylvia France:

It's called Lebenslicht, the light of life

Nancy May:

Ooh, I like that one.

Nancy May:

That's such a lovely name, at least for a candle

Sylvia France:

It is until you hear why it's burning.

Sylvia France:

you know that German studies professor at USF, Margit grieb ? She

Sylvia France:

gets exactly quoted for this

Nancy May:

Ooh, so USF in Tampa?

Sylvia France:

Yes, it's 20 minutes from my kitchen and I know you are

Sylvia France:

on the board of economics at USF.

Nancy May:

I am

Sylvia France:

She explains that people believe children were especially

Sylvia France:

vulnerable on their birthday.

Sylvia France:

That was the day evil spirits could reach them

Nancy May:

Ooh, that sounds like such a good story.

Nancy May:

So I guess the candles were kind of a protection

Sylvia France:

That's the read, but she's careful about it though.

Sylvia France:

She calls the links to what we do now indirect, kind of

Sylvia France:

a curvy, not a straight line

Nancy May:

Well since we're drinking Shirley Temples, unless they're spiked,

Nancy May:

we should be walking a straight line.

Nancy May:

So why don't you take me on that path?

Sylvia France:

So you light the bedtime and keep them burning all day.

Sylvia France:

If one goes out, you replace it right then instantly

Nancy May:

So these candles are burning all day.

Nancy May:

That kind of sounds like pyrotechnics to me

Sylvia France:

All day .. and the smoke was the channel, .. A steady stream going

Sylvia France:

up meant heaven had its eye on your child

Nancy May:

Ooh, and the cake is just sitting there?

Sylvia France:

The cake is just sitting there and nobody touches it.

Sylvia France:

Even my brother would not take a bite, not until the sun

Sylvia France:

goes down and danger's passed

Nancy May:

So a child gets to sit there, stare at a cake, and drool,

Nancy May:

the whole thing burning for 12 hours.

Nancy May:

Sounds like torture to me

Sylvia France:

Yes, they stare at a cake dripping with wax the entire day, but

Sylvia France:

we know the story that my brother took a bite out of my pink birthday cake.

Nancy May:

No.

Sylvia France:

only one my mom, my only, the only one my mom

Sylvia France:

made, he took a dab out of it

Nancy May:

Well, all right, I hope he got the toothpick out first,

Nancy May:

but the other one is a vigil

Sylvia France:

That's what it is.

Sylvia France:

And then at sunset, the child makes a wish, blows them out,

Sylvia France:

and finally gets a slice of cake

Nancy May:

Which is probably loaded with that wax and which is the only

Nancy May:

part that we actually kept today

Sylvia France:

We kept the last 30 seconds of it and threw the rest away.

Sylvia France:

No more demons

Nancy May:

Yeah.

Nancy May:

Good.

Nancy May:

I like that part.

Sylvia France:

Birthday candles come from 18th century Germany where parents

Sylvia France:

lit one candle for each of the child's life plus an extra one to grow on and

Sylvia France:

kept them burning all day to protect the child from harm and evil spirits

Nancy May:

Well, that actually sounds sweet from a parent's perspective and

Nancy May:

it's a lot to hand a five-year-old

Sylvia France:

and that isn't even the earliest record of it

Nancy May:

so the earliest written record isn't a child's at all

Sylvia France:

Really?

Sylvia France:

I was waiting for that.

Sylvia France:

I knew , you had, had done some research

Nancy May:

I certainly did.

Nancy May:

Because back in May of 1746, no, I wasn't there , a guest named Andrew Frey

Nancy May:

writes up a birthday festival in Germany for Count Nicholas Ludwig von Zinzendorf

Sylvia France:

Say that three times.

Sylvia France:

I'm so glad

Nancy May:

Zinzendorf.

Nancy May:

I'm trying to get my German accent going here.

Sylvia France:

So what did Ray actually say?

Nancy May:

Well, a cake as big as any oven could bake it.

Nancy May:

It should have holes in according to the number of years of the person's age,

Nancy May:

and there had to be a candle in every hole, and especially one in the middle

Sylvia France:

That's our cake in 1746

Nancy May:

Correct.

Nancy May:

And some sources say that it was really 1747, so we'll just

Nancy May:

call it mid-'40s to stay honest.

Nancy May:

Because we are.

Sylvia France:

And here's what got me.

Sylvia France:

Zinzendorf was actually a Moravian bishop

Nancy May:

So what does that have to do with it?

Sylvia France:

the Moravians came first, Pennsylvania then Old Salem in

Sylvia France:

North Carolina, which is my family's part of the world in both states

Nancy May:

So the first candles on record belonged to a church that

Nancy May:

ended up in your backyard again.

Sylvia France:

Well, when your family gets here in the 1600s, what can I say?

Sylvia France:

Somebody was carrying that across the ocean while my

Sylvia France:

people were already down there.

Sylvia France:

And there's one more piece of this ritual with a story you won't believe, the song

Nancy May:

So what about the song?

Nancy May:

I'm presuming Happy Birthday?

Sylvia France:

Exactly.

Sylvia France:

For most of your life, it was against the law to sing Happy Birthday

Sylvia France:

in a movie without paying for it

Nancy May:

Ooh, some greedy SOB.

Nancy May:

A actual law against singing Happy Birthday

Sylvia France:

Yes.

Sylvia France:

… Can you believe it?

Sylvia France:

The most sung song on the planet, and one company was pulling about $2

Sylvia France:

million a year off of royalties from it

Nancy May:

Whoa.

Nancy May:

Well, I just sang happy birthday to my dear friend Diane on the phone today.

Nancy May:

I'm gonna check my wallet, but I don't even know how that's possible

Nancy May:

'cause I don't have that money in it.

Sylvia France:

Well, back in a minute and we can figure out

Sylvia France:

why it's not in your wallet

Nancy May:

So stay tuned.

Nancy May:

We'll be right back

Nancy May:

And we're back.

Nancy May:

. And I was about to try and pull $2 million out of my, well, wallet.

Sylvia France:

It must be a big wallet

Nancy May:

No.

Sylvia France:

But in 1893, two sisters in Louisville, Kentucky Patty and Mildred

Sylvia France:

Hill were actually kindergarten teachers

Nancy May:

Teachers

Sylvia France:

Yeah, they wrote this little greeting song for their classroom.

Sylvia France:

It was not a birthday song at all.

Sylvia France:

It was a good morning song

Nancy May:

So the birthday song was actually a song to say hello?

Sylvia France:

Yeah, the tune is hello.

Sylvia France:

. Somewhere in there, people swapped out the words, and by the 1930s, the birthday

Sylvia France:

version had taken over completely

Nancy May:

So, and then somebody claims it, I'm gonna guess

Sylvia France:

Absolutely.

Sylvia France:

A publisher called Sumi registers a copyright in 1935 that eventually

Sylvia France:

lands with Warner Chappell

Nancy May:

Who actually starts charging for it?

Nancy May:

And I'm gonna guess that teachers don't get a dime or an apple.

Sylvia France:

no, they did not.

Sylvia France:

So they had , roughly 2 million a year earned in licensing.

Sylvia France:

Not when you sing it at your kitchen table.

Sylvia France:

It was film, television, and anything commercial

Nancy May:

So that's actually why every chain restaurant has its own birthday

Nancy May:

clapping song, and they don't sing the plain old Happy Birthday to You song

Sylvia France:

No, but I do like the sombreros, which I did in-

Sylvia France:

make my ch- children endure.

Sylvia France:

Those places weren't being creative.

Sylvia France:

They were dodging an invoice

Nancy May:

Oh, well, that's pretty sharp too.

Nancy May:

I always assumed that that was a branding decision and not

Nancy May:

a licensing decision, though

Nancy May:

- Sylvia France: Everybody does.

Nancy May:

It was a legal decision wearing a branding costume, and it

Nancy May:

ran that way for many decades

Nancy May:

So I'm presuming that it has ended

Nancy May:

? Sylvia France: A documentary filmmaker sues them in 2013

Nancy May:

And in 2000, and in 2015, a federal judge rules that the 1935

Nancy May:

copyright only covered the actual piano arrangement, not the words

Sylvia France:

so they made $2 million a year and they

Sylvia France:

never owned the lyrics at all

Nancy May:

Yeah, I call that highway robbery, That's correct.

Nancy May:

Warner/Chappell settled the next year for $14 million, , and the

Nancy May:

song went into the public domain

Sylvia France:

I could only guess how much they had collected by then

Nancy May:

Well, I guess I can close my wallet now, . but it was apparently

Nancy May:

$50 million by most estimates

Sylvia France:

And it was all based on two school teachers who wrote

Sylvia France:

a hello song for five-year-olds

Nancy May:

I know.

Nancy May:

The most valuable four bars in music until a judge unwound the whole thing

Sylvia France:

I do brand work for a living, and that one still gets

Sylvia France:

me, and I'm sure it does you too

Nancy May:

Absolutely

Nancy May:

. Sylvia France: Now the part that changed how I think about the whole day, because

Nancy May:

we're not only the people doing this

Nancy May:

No, we're not.

Nancy May:

let's start with the one you keep bringing up

Sylvia France:

Oh, it's Korea.

Sylvia France:

On birthday you eat miyeok-guk, seaweed soup.

Sylvia France:

I think it's kind of like miso soup

Nancy May:

Yeah, but still, for breakfast?

Nancy May:

I'll take pancakes instead, thank you

Sylvia France:

Well, in Vietnam they have pho for breakfast,

Sylvia France:

so I guess it's an Asian thing.

Nancy May:

I'm glad I'm in Florida.

Nancy May:

, Sylvia France: here's why.

Nancy May:

So on the day you were born, you ate what she ate.

Nancy May:

The day points back to her as it should

Nancy May:

So that reorders the entire birthday celebration

Sylvia France:

It does.

Sylvia France:

We spend our birthday being celebrated, and they spend it remembering who

Sylvia France:

did the work and gave birth to them

Nancy May:

So there's a question for your own mom, dear listener.

Nancy May:

What did she eat the week that you were born, or the day you were born?

Sylvia France:

Nobody ever asked that.

Sylvia France:

So ask it and write it down somewhere that isn't on your phone.

Sylvia France:

Okay, I admit I had a pastrami sandwich from an amazing deli

Sylvia France:

the week my oldest was born

Nancy May:

Well, i'm gonna guess my mom was eating a snow cone

Nancy May:

because I was born in a blizzard

Nancy May:

I'm gonna be thinking about that for quite some time.

Sylvia France:

Me too and guess what?

Sylvia France:

, China has two of these

Nancy May:

So the first one is longevity noodles.

Nancy May:

One single long noodle and you're not supposed to bite through it

Sylvia France:

So what happens if you bite it?

Nancy May:

Well, yeah.

Nancy May:

Here's the deal.

Nancy May:

.. Superstition says you're cutting your own life short if you

Nancy May:

chop it or bite it in half.

Nancy May:

So people actually carefully slurp, ah, very carefully to make sure that

Nancy May:

their life doesn't get cut short

Sylvia France:

And the second one is the one I love.

Sylvia France:

. Steam buns shaped and blushed to look like peaches for their elders

Nancy May:

Well, we did a whole segment on peaches, didn't we?

Sylvia France:

Oh yes, Father's Day, the fruit of immortality, , and here it is

Sylvia France:

again on grandmother's birthday table

Nancy May:

Mine, mine is actually a lot less deep because we're

Nancy May:

heading on over to Germany

Sylvia France:

Again,

Nancy May:

again

Sylvia France:

where the rules I understand go backwards from ours

Nancy May:

Well, you gotta tell me about backwards

Sylvia France:

So you throw your own party.

Sylvia France:

You buy the drinks, and in a lot of places you bake your own cake and

Sylvia France:

carry it to work and the party itself

Nancy May:

I might need the royalties from Happy Birthday for this one.

Nancy May:

So we wouldn't survive that one.

Nancy May:

and do not wish anybody a happy birthday early in Germany either, . because

Nancy May:

in Greece and in Germany, wishing an early happy birthday is bad luck

Sylvia France:

And I have absolutely done that, so apologies

Sylvia France:

to Matthew who lived in Athens

Nancy May:

Well, you better stop it now.

Nancy May:

But before we leave our world tour, you owe me the reason for the Shirley Temple

Sylvia France:

I do, and it started somewhere strange.

Sylvia France:

There's no traditional birthday drink anywhere.

Nancy May:

Okay, but , for 400 years of cake lore and folklore, a glass or a

Nancy May:

drink has nothing to do with a birthday?

Sylvia France:

Every list I found is just generic party booze or champagne

Sylvia France:

except one, the Shirley Temple

Nancy May:

So, um, tell me more about that

Sylvia France:

It was 1930s Hollywood.

Sylvia France:

The story goes she was out at dinner while the adults had cocktails

Sylvia France:

and she had nothing fun to sip

Nancy May:

Of course she was Shirley Temple.

Nancy May:

She was adorable.

Nancy May:

She was always fun, so somebody had to make her something that she could enjoy

Sylvia France:

Yes.

Sylvia France:

Ginger ale, grenadine, and a cherry.

Sylvia France:

And I do admit I've had them a couple times when my

Sylvia France:

grandfather took me out to dinner

Nancy May:

And my folks used to always get one for my sister

Nancy May:

and myself when we were out too.

Nancy May:

And the three restaurants that claim it are Chasen's, the Brown Derby, and

Nancy May:

the Royal Hawaiian, and nobody has ever actually settled who made it first

Sylvia France:

And she loved it, presumably

Nancy May:

No, she hated it.

Nancy May:

She told NPR in 1986 that they were too sweet and she called

Nancy May:

them in typical Shirley Temple style, "Ew, that's icky." She had

Nancy May:

nothing to do with even inventing it

Sylvia France:

So she spent her whole life being handed a drink she couldn't stand?

Nancy May:

Well, she was polite about it at least every single time

Sylvia France:

But look at what it actually is, the only drink

Sylvia France:

ever invented so a child could feel included at a grownup's table

Nancy May:

Which is the same instinct as, the cake

Sylvia France:

Same instinct as the whole day

Sylvia France:

. And the cake, when does a regular family actually get one?

Nancy May:

This is the part I like because it's kind of economics.

Nancy May:

Sugar and white flour were originally luxury goods.

Nancy May:

A frosted cake was a rich person's object.

Sylvia France:

Let me guess, until factories

Nancy May:

Of course, it's always something like that.

Nancy May:

Mass production drops the price of sugar, flour, and yes, baking powder,

Nancy May:

and suddenly a middle class family can do what only the wealthy people did

Sylvia France:

So the modern-day American birthday cake isn't ancient.

Sylvia France:

It's actually industrial

Nancy May:

Yep, the cake is industrial, which is where

Nancy May:

it gets a little complicated

Sylvia France:

Oh, complicated how?

Sylvia France:

- Nancy May: Well, in 1950s, General Mills puts out a Betty Crocker mix or a

Sylvia France:

cake mix with an egg already in it, you know, the powdered kind, and all you

Sylvia France:

had to do was add water, mix, and bake.

Sylvia France:

That was the whole job

Sylvia France:

It sounds like a runway hit to me

Nancy May:

Well, you think you would've had one, but it kinda stalled,

Nancy May:

so they bring in a psychologist named Ernst Dichter to find out why

Sylvia France:

So what did he find?

Nancy May:

Well, they should have called in the women first but he

Nancy May:

found that women actually felt guilty.

Nancy May:

It was too easy.

Nancy May:

It didn't even feel like they were making anything or doing

Nancy May:

anything special for their family

Sylvia France:

So he takes it out because of psychology, not to save money

Nancy May:

Correct.

Nancy May:

He takes out the powdered egg and you have to crack a fresh one and add that egg,

Nancy May:

and sales actually took off from there

Sylvia France:

I have told that story in many pitch meetings

Nancy May:

And but here's the bend then.

Nancy May:

Because food historian Laura Shapiro looked at it and pointed

Nancy May:

out what everybody leaves out

Sylvia France:

Which is?

Nancy May:

Well, fresh eggs just made the cakes taste better.

Nancy May:

the complete mix, , the original one from the Betty Crocker stuck

Nancy May:

to the pan and had kind of a poor texture and tasted too eggy, believe

Nancy May:

it or not, with the powdered egg

Sylvia France:

So it sounds like it was more of a chemistry

Sylvia France:

issue and not a psychology issue

Nancy May:

Well, I think it might've been a little bit of both.

Nancy May:

Because not General Mills, but now Pillsbury kept on doing the same

Nancy May:

thing and sold the complete mix with no problem and did just fine

Sylvia France:

That's really annoying, but I do believe it

Nancy May:

I know it is annoying, But the tidy version is just a little too tidy

Sylvia France:

But I'd argue it stuck around for 70 years because

Sylvia France:

it's pointing at something real

Nancy May:

Which is what?

Sylvia France:

That the egg was never the person eating the cake.

Sylvia France:

The egg is for the baker.

Sylvia France:

It's proof to yourself that you actually did something

Nancy May:

Which is the answer to your question from minute four in the show.

Nancy May:

You're not going to love it though.

Sylvia France:

Uh-oh.

Sylvia France:

Say it though

Nancy May:

Your mother skipped the part that was about her.

Nancy May:

She went straight to the part that was really about you,

Nancy May:

kind of like adding the egg

Sylvia France:

Aw, that sounds so sweet.

Sylvia France:

And she can tell everybody how wonderful she was.

Nancy May:

it's a mom thing.

Nancy May:

She knew she wasn't a baker, so she knew exactly what her child or her daughter

Nancy May:

wanted, and that wasn't a shortcut.

Nancy May:

She was paying attention to you whether you knew it or not

Sylvia France:

And I did it with a kitchen full of flour.

Sylvia France:

I could have made the boys anything, but I bought the one they

Sylvia France:

actually wanted, the ice cream cake

Nancy May:

Correct.

Nancy May:

So the gift was never the effort.

Nancy May:

It was knowing who you were actually feeding and why

Sylvia France:

that reframed the entire thing I believed walking in here

Nancy May:

And it's why I wanna tell you about my dad, because this

Nancy May:

is kind of like the same story, but from a different side of life.

Nancy May:

It starts with his 98th birthday

Sylvia France:

Your dad, you've told the stories, and you love him so much

Nancy May:

I do, and I'm gonna tell it to everybody here.

Nancy May:

Because my dad, well, we did the whole thing.

Nancy May:

Everybody was there.

Nancy May:

98th birthday, although he thought it was 99.

Nancy May:

There was champagne, and we had a house full of people

Sylvia France:

So I only can guess how much champagne there was

Nancy May:

Well, it was gonna be a big hoopla, and it was.

Nancy May:

So I was in charge of the glasses, and I kept everybody's full.

Sylvia France:

Nancy

Nancy May:

Yes, including Dad's.

Nancy May:

He was, after all, 98, and at the end of the night, he leans over to Millie,

Nancy May:

our lead aide, and says very quietly, "I think I'm just a little drunk."

Sylvia France:

I love it.

Sylvia France:

He turned himself in

Nancy May:

Well, kind of.

Nancy May:

He did turn himself in and she got him to bed safely, 'cause he did ask for help.

Nancy May:

And then the girls and I kept going after everybody else was asleep and

Nancy May:

had gone, still toasting him and my mom

Sylvia France:

It sounds like the good kind of a long night and a long day

Nancy May:

Oh, it was.

Nancy May:

We've got other stories from that night too.

Nancy May:

But there was also birthday 99

Sylvia France:

Oh, how could it be better than 98?

Nancy May:

Well, first of all, he had a 99th birthday.

Nancy May:

That was a good one.

Nancy May:

But he was in the hospital that morning that he turned 99, in cardiac

Nancy May:

care, and that was the last time he was ever there in the hospital.

Nancy May:

Kind of thank goodness and not so.

Sylvia France:

Oh, Nancy

Nancy May:

I know, but the nurses on that unit were just incredibly

Nancy May:

special, and nobody asked them.

Nancy May:

They went out on their own and they bought him a birthday cake, a card which they

Nancy May:

all signed, and a big bouquet of balloons

Sylvia France:

How amazing it was on their own

Nancy May:

They did.

Nancy May:

And they found out somewhere, somehow, that chocolate was my

Nancy May:

dad's favorite, so they went out and they got him a chocolate cake, the

Nancy May:

most delicious chocolate cake ever.

Nancy May:

And they all came into the room and sang him a big happy birthday

Sylvia France:

Those nurses were amazing that they did that

Nancy May:

They were.

Nancy May:

They did that, and I'm telling you, that was the best chocolate

Nancy May:

cake and probably one of the best birthday memories I've ever had

Sylvia France:

I don't think it had really anything to do with the chocolate cake

Nancy May:

No, it wasn't about the cake.

Nancy May:

for sure

Sylvia France:

They found out that chocolate was his favorite.

Sylvia France:

That's the whole thing right here.

Sylvia France:

They cared about your dad before they even bought the cake

Nancy May:

Yes.

Nancy May:

And that's the part, like I said, I'll always remember and the look

Nancy May:

on his face, as tired as he was

Sylvia France:

which brings us back around because this is our 100th episode

Nancy May:

And it turns out 100 is a real milestone and real rituals attached.

Nancy May:

You know, Dad said he wanted to get to 120.

Nancy May:

I think we've got a few more in our shows, don't you, Sylvia?

Sylvia France:

I think we're gonna make it to 220, to be honest

Nancy May:

and more.

Nancy May:

So what happens next?

Sylvia France:

So can you tell me a little bit about what happens when

Sylvia France:

somebody actually does turn 100?

Nancy May:

Well, in the UK you get a letter from the monarch.

Nancy May:

Well, in this case, it's now King Charles, and you have to apply.

Nancy May:

It's not automatic

Sylvia France:

Here in the States, you can request a greeting card signed by

Sylvia France:

the president, but Ireland is the one I love because you get paid to be 100

Nancy May:

Ooh, I think we need to sign up for that one.

Nancy May:

But who pays you?

Sylvia France:

It's called The Centurion Bounty: A Letter From

Sylvia France:

the President and 2,540 Euro

Nancy May:

Ooh, for being alive?

Nancy May:

or maybe having 100 podcasts.

Nancy May:

And every year thereafter, , they send you a commemorative

Nancy May:

coin, a new design each year

Sylvia France:

And there's a practical problem at that age

Nancy May:

You can't put 100 candles lit on a cake.

Nancy May:

At least it's a hard one.

Nancy May:

The frosting melts into kind of.

Nancy May:

A fire hazard

Sylvia France:

So what do people do?

Sylvia France:

Can they buy something on Amazon?

Nancy May:

Well, pretty close.

Nancy May:

There's actually a product for it.

Nancy May:

It's a tiered stand that goes around the cake, and yes, it

Nancy May:

actually holds 100 candles safely.

Nancy May:

We're gonna have to find that and do one ourselves.

Nancy May:

… Sylvia France: So , it sounds like someone built a scaffolding for candles

Nancy May:

. Nancy May: Yes, scaffolding … Because we're not giving up on fire for sure

Sylvia France:

So five things to take with you, and we're trading them here

Nancy May:

One, light the extra candle, one per year plus one for the year ahead

Sylvia France:

That's called Lebenslicht, the light of life.

Sylvia France:

10 seconds to explain it to a kid, and they'll remember it,

Nancy May:

Two, if anybody tells you your birthday candles came from

Nancy May:

the ancient Greeks they are wrong

Sylvia France:

Nope, it's 18th century Germany, and it's worth remembering how

Sylvia France:

far a good story travels with nothing under it, good folklore or bended spoon

Nancy May:

Three, ask your mother what she ate the week you were born

Sylvia France:

That's the Korean idea.

Sylvia France:

The day points back at her.

Sylvia France:

Ask it.

Sylvia France:

Write the answer down somewhere permanent.

Sylvia France:

You know, paper and ink

Nancy May:

Mm, or our book.

Nancy May:

and four, don't wish anybody happy birthday early.

Nancy May:

In Germany and Greece, both count as really bad luck

Sylvia France:

And if you're the birthday person over there, you're hosting.

Sylvia France:

You buy the drinks and you bring the cake

Nancy May:

You might need those royalties.

Nancy May:

Five, stop asking whether you made it or anybody else made it.

Nancy May:

Ask who it was for

Sylvia France:

My mother couldn't bake, so she bought the cake.

Sylvia France:

I can bake, and I still bought an ice cream cake

Nancy May:

And the nurses bought the chocolate cake because

Nancy May:

they found out what he loved

Sylvia France:

The gift was never the effort.

Sylvia France:

- People get what they actually want, and when somebody does it for you, say thank

Sylvia France:

you first, even if it's falling apart

Nancy May:

For sure.

Nancy May:

So the next time anybody asks you why we put candles on a cake

Sylvia France:

It isn't Greek and it isn't about the moon.

Sylvia France:

It's 300 years old, it's German, and it started out with a shield from the demons

Nancy May:

We should probably do this for an October show instead.

Nancy May:

But here's our 100th episode ask of you.

Nancy May:

Tell us about your cake and your birthday stories

Nancy May:

.. Sylvia France: Tell us about the one that fell apart, the one that somebody stayed

Nancy May:

all night to make, the one you still make, and the one that someone truly appreciated

Nancy May:

And send it to us on our show page at podcast@familytreefoodstories,

Nancy May:

or post it in our Facebook group also, Family Tree Food Stories.

Nancy May:

we read every one.

Nancy May:

We'd love to put your story on the next show

Nancy May:

… Sylvia France: You wanted to write it down somewhere first, possibly in our

Nancy May:

book, Family Tree Food and Stories, but it's important that it's somewhere

Nancy May:

permanent for when you're done talking

Nancy May:

And if this show has been in your kitchen, which we hope, or in your

Nancy May:

ears in your car while you're driving, any part of these 100 episodes, send it

Nancy May:

to somebody else that you know likes a good story and, yes, something delicious.

Nancy May:

It can be your gift to them because it's our gift to you

Sylvia France:

That's the present.

Sylvia France:

Glasses up

Nancy May:

Glasses up to 100 episodes,

Nancy May:

Or to anyone who poured an extra glass of champagne for their dad.

Nancy May:

And to the ones who told them that they love them and that they're beautiful.

Nancy May:

And next week we're talking about, yes, Peter Pepped up Pickled Peppers.

Nancy May:

Say that three times fast.

Sylvia France:

That really sounds like maybe a stinky

Sylvia France:

but a harmless episode to me

Nancy May:

Well, here's the problem.

Nancy May:

A lot of what you will read about, where pickles comes from was written by a

Nancy May:

trade association, and there's a lot more

Sylvia France:

Written by the industry.

Sylvia France:

That's not the first story I've heard about that

Nancy May:

No, no, no.

Nancy May:

and then reprinted as history by outlets you don't trust.

Nancy May:

Stay tuned because we found the marketing copy that traces back on this one.

Nancy May:

So, as we always like to say, every meal has a story, and every story's a feast

Sylvia France:

And a few secrets along the way.

Sylvia France:

So bye everyone.

Sylvia France:

Thank you so much for listening to our 100th episode.

Sylvia France:

Happy cooking and happy experimenting

Nancy May:

Bye-bye.

Nancy May:

Till next time.

Nancy May:

Cheers.