Why the Best Meals Happen Off the Beaten Path: Roadside Diners, Drive-Ins, and Hidden Treasures

What if the best meal you’ve ever had… was hiding on the side of the road?
And why do the places with no signs, no marketing, and no polish often serve the most unforgettable food?
In this episode of Family Tree Food & Stories, Nancy May and Sylvia Lovely explore some of the best meals they've found in diners, drive-ins, and roadside food and snack treasures, where food, family traditions, and personal stories intersect in the most unique places. From small-town stands to grungy stops, these out-of-the-way places aren’t just a place to get a quick burger; they’re places that shaped small-town identity, neighborly connection, and stories that you'll never forget.
Because here’s the truth: the best food you'll ever have isn’t always found in a five-star restaurant. It’s more likely found where the gas station guy, local teachers, and little league team show up hungry, and keep coming back week after week. Oh, and they all leave a local story at the counter, along with a tip.
In this episode of Family Tree Food & Stories, Nancy and Sylvia dig into the history behind places like the Kum & Go, Buc-ees, The Sycamore Diner, and Redding, Connecticut Pancake Place. Each, and others shared, and the ones that you likely know and love, reflect something deeper about our own hometown food culture, entrepreneurship, and even our childhood.
And somewhere along those back roads, you start to realize that you’re not just looking for a breakfast or lunch spot. Instead, what you're really hungry for is a place you feel welcome, and that feels like home every time you walk in the door.
So why do people care?
Because these roadside food stops tap into something more universal: a longing for what was, the thrill of surprise, and the connection with friends and family.
The surprising truth is:
That some of the most meaningful foodie experiences don’t come from fancy restaurants, but from place, people, and timing, and even from bathrooms that might not be that clean.
What will you learn?
How roadside food culture shaped American and North American identity, why these hidden spots matter, and how to find and recognize a great place, and create a few new memories that you'll talk about for years.
Key Takeaways
- The best meals aren’t planned, they’re discovered. Learn to chill out a bit.
- Some of the most memorable food experiences don't require reservations.
- Roadside food has as much dirt as local identity.
- Some have become beloved regional traditions that turned into local landmark treasures.
- Simplicity often beats sophistication.
- Food memories are sometimes simply a connection to taste. Think belly clams!
- What you remember most isn’t always what you ate, but where you were and who you were with.
What to do next:
Next time you pass a place that doesn’t look like much, but you can smell it from 3 blocks away, slow down and stop. Listen to what's being said at the counter or next booth and enjoy the moment, and the burger too.
Question:
What’s the best unexpected meal you’ve ever had at a local hole-in-the-wall?
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Hello everybody.
Nancy May:Welcome to another adventurous episode, or I should say, delicious episode of Family
Nancy May:Tree Food and Stories where every meal has a story and every story is a feast.
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Nancy May:to be doing a survey or we are doing a survey to try and get your input on.
Nancy May:New things that we can do to make our show more delicious for you.
Nancy May:But this is a fun episode.
Nancy May:Sylvia, what do you think?
Sylvia Lovely:Oh yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Sounds like a good one to me about those red side treasures.
Nancy May:That's right.
Nancy May:We're talking about.
Nancy May:Time travel, well kind of time travel when it meant that we could actually
Nancy May:drive along the road and not necessarily know where we're gonna end up at.
Nancy May:Not knowing where our favorite gas station cafe was, or watering hole,
Nancy May:or a diner, or whether you'd walk into a place that you kind of thought
Nancy May:looked good or maybe suspicious, and realizing that maybe shoe fly pie really.
Nancy May:Did have flies.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:It was a time before we had GPS and exit road signs.
Nancy May:and local newspapers.
Nancy May:My God, can you imagine what, what is a newspaper, Sylvia?
Nancy May:I have no idea what that is anymore.
Nancy May:Right.
Sylvia Lovely:I'm still kind of addicted.
Nancy May:we used to have a great one up north, but sadly that one
Nancy May:disappeared, the Newtown Bee.
Nancy May:But in any case, we are talking about roadside stops and watering holes that
Nancy May:are just a little bit more memorable and maybe, yes, Elvis really did eat there.
Nancy May:We've got one of those here in Brooksville.
Nancy May:Interestingly enough.
Sylvia Lovely:he may still be there.
Sylvia Lovely:We don't know, you know,
Nancy May:Right.
Nancy May:Elvis is ghost,
Sylvia Lovely:well, they say somewhere,
Nancy May:But this is all about making treasured memories.
Nancy May:The kinds that you're gonna never forget.
Nancy May:The stops that mom and dad took you to your sweetheart, your college friends.
Nancy May:I don't know about you, but I remember going to Daytona Beach.
Nancy May:In college asking my mom if it was all right and she said, actually,
Nancy May:now who are you going with?
Nancy May:And I said, oh, five guys from college.
Nancy May:I like, and she said, who?
Nancy May:And said, five guys.
Nancy May:It's is that a restaurant?
Nancy May:No,
Sylvia Lovely:Hey today.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Nancy May:and a girl roommate.
Nancy May:Yeah.
Nancy May:But we found south of the Boarder
Sylvia Lovely:yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:You know,
Sylvia Lovely:these were things that we saw firsthand.
Sylvia Lovely:it wasn't a marketing ploy or anything like that.
Sylvia Lovely:It was this grand experiment, and you'd get attached to these places,
Sylvia Lovely:just like old, good old aunt.
Sylvia Lovely:Flow.
Sylvia Lovely:hey honey, what you having today?
Sylvia Lovely:How about a piece of pie and a diner attached to a gas station,
Sylvia Lovely:maybe two pumps, and a place where a pie might change your
Sylvia Lovely:life, or at least your afternoon.
Sylvia Lovely:We've had those memories.
Sylvia Lovely:All of us have, but sometimes.
Sylvia Lovely:The coffee was burnt and sometimes the meatloaf was dry.
Sylvia Lovely:And the bathrooms well, okay.
Sylvia Lovely:They were about as big as a posted stamp and we don't know what else.
Sylvia Lovely:And you took a leap of faith.
Nancy May:But we found these roadside stands and they were just wonderful.
Nancy May:They created such great memories.
Nancy May:They were stops.
Nancy May:That became regulars for your family.
Nancy May:Eventually.
Nancy May:Sometimes you share them with others, but today we now have the interstate
Nancy May:and those small towns are bypassed hundreds of gas pumps and briskets.
Nancy May:And like you said, the bathrooms.
Nancy May:Well, maybe them were pretty grungy, but they didn't have a brand identity
Nancy May:and they really were a treasure hunt.
Nancy May:They were trademarks of small towns and communities, and I remember one that
Nancy May:was in Long Island when we were kids.
Nancy May:That was a sort of a roadside attraction that one of my
Nancy May:mom dear friends took us to.
Nancy May:And it was.
Nancy May:It was sort of an old country store that had the best molasses,
Nancy May:chocolate covered lollipops.
Nancy May:Who would think that a molasses chocolate covered lollipop would be so good?
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, I can imagine that that sounds pretty good- on-good.
Nancy May:Right.
Sylvia Lovely:And it was that unpredictability about what
Sylvia Lovely:might happen and who might show up a celebrity or otherwise is
Sylvia Lovely:both the charm and the problem.
Sylvia Lovely:Now, for instance, Bernie's grandmother, I don't know if
Sylvia Lovely:I've ever told you this or not.
Sylvia Lovely:She had a small diner on Highway 41 in Bonita Springs.
Sylvia Lovely:Now you can imagine, well Traveled road, lived in a trailer park, she
Sylvia Lovely:was as eccentric as the day is long.
Sylvia Lovely:Made dinner promptly at 4:30 every day for her.
Sylvia Lovely:I think they were divorced, but she always made dinner for him
Sylvia Lovely:'cause he lived in another trailer.
Sylvia Lovely:Okay, so it was like the trailer park drama.
Sylvia Lovely:Right.
Sylvia Lovely:Two gas pumps and.
Sylvia Lovely:She didn't like you, then she would say she didn't have bathrooms and
Sylvia Lovely:there probably weren't all those rules, you know, where, oh, you
Sylvia Lovely:have so many people, you have to have so many bathrooms and all that.
Sylvia Lovely:There was none of that.
Sylvia Lovely:, And, oh, I gotta tell you this, you may have to cut this one out, Nancy.
Sylvia Lovely:She would never let a Cubian an in.
Nancy May:She, she would never let a, a what in
Sylvia Lovely:a CUbian That's what called
Nancy May:that she called Cubians
Sylvia Lovely:yeah, Cubian.
Sylvia Lovely:She did not ever let Cuan in 'cause there weren't any kind of
Sylvia Lovely:discrimination laws or anything.
Sylvia Lovely:Either.
Sylvia Lovely:You could do anything you wanted.
Sylvia Lovely:Anyway, she was quite a character
Nancy May:Wow.
Nancy May:Well, I've heard of co, I've heard of college kids not being
Nancy May:allowed into certain places,
Sylvia Lovely:But not cu beans.
Nancy May:no
Sylvia Lovely:Oh.
Sylvia Lovely:She would talk about Cuban because that was when the boat lift was happening, I
Sylvia Lovely:guess.
Sylvia Lovely:And a lot of people coming anyway, but, she's dead and gone
Sylvia Lovely:now so we can talk about it.
Sylvia Lovely:Right.
Sylvia Lovely:But when it was good, it was deeply local.
Sylvia Lovely:not every one was a treasure, but you could have fried catfish in Mississippi.
Sylvia Lovely:Yum.
Sylvia Lovely:Or green chilies in New Mexico.
Sylvia Lovely:Yes.
Sylvia Lovely:Ha ha.
Sylvia Lovely:Hot roast beef sandwiches, drowning in gravy over mashed potatoes.
Sylvia Lovely:They just don't serve that much anymore.
Sylvia Lovely:And then chocolate pie that tasted like someone's grandmother baked it
Sylvia Lovely:that morning, and she probably did.
Nancy May:Oh my gosh, that makes my mouth mortar and reminds me of a little town
Nancy May:that we left not too long ago, a couple of years ago in Reding, Connecticut.
Nancy May:And they have in, well it wasn't really a center of town,
Nancy May:but it was in West Redding.
Nancy May:And the one whistle stop train that went through, even to this
Nancy May:day along the tracks, and there used to be the most famous, well
Nancy May:probably infamous pancake place.
Nancy May:It wasn't IHop.
Nancy May:It was the reading pan.
Nancy May:Oh, I'll, I'll call it the reading Pancake place.
Nancy May:And it had kind of like all these things on the wall, kind of like a TGI Fridays
Nancy May:or a a Cracker Barrel kind of thing.
Nancy May:But the pancakes, people would come far and wired for these pancakes.
Nancy May:And one day the restaurant burned down and that was, it
Sylvia Lovely:Um, no.
Sylvia Lovely:The memory's all, all the memories is just all you have left.
Sylvia Lovely:Right.
Nancy May:Right, but these little roadside stands, there's also one
Nancy May:up in Litchfield that we loved.
Nancy May:A frank would called Bohemian Pizza, and it had a giant skeleton
Nancy May:sitting on the top of its roof.
Nancy May:And Elvis record player covers, well not record player, but I guess they
Nancy May:were record covers all over the, OR album covers all over the ceilings.
Nancy May:And that place was, also a hoot and a half.
Nancy May:So those roadside stands or those roadside ventures really haven't
Nancy May:totally gone away today, but still they are the mom and pop sometimes less
Nancy May:frequently heard about or known about.
Nancy May:Where, like you said, the Coca-Cola cooler was at the door
Nancy May:and the two gas bumps out front.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, in a Juke box usually too, Uh, a Duke box.
Sylvia Lovely:I'm
Nancy May:know, there's a place like, yep, there's a place like that up in
Nancy May:Rhinebeck, New York, quaint little town that we also used to love to frequent
Nancy May:and a lot of people know in the area.
Nancy May:But quaint isn't so quaint anymore.
Nancy May:It is quite the swish place because Chelsea Clinton got married there,
Nancy May:well, a number of years ago, because I think she's on child number three.
Nancy May:But still, once the Clintons found it, it became, Ooh, la la roadside stands.
Sylvia Lovely:I love that.
Sylvia Lovely:And how about, there's a Canadian roadside place that you've told me about.
Sylvia Lovely:What's that one?
Sylvia Lovely:Cheese.
Sylvia Lovely:Something
Nancy May:Oh, Canadian roadside.
Nancy May:So the wonderful thing about Roadside Eats, we'll call it kind of the.
Nancy May:Family tree, food stories, diners drive in and dives, except ours
Nancy May:are a little better than that.
Nancy May:And my hair's not so punk and neither is yours.
Nancy May:But we were on a trip through Canada, actually it was from, I think it was
Nancy May:Montreal to Quebec or Quebec to Montreal.
Nancy May:And you know how they have these Apple side roadside stands you do in
Nancy May:the fall, especially in New England.
Nancy May:I don't know if they have them down in Kentucky.
Nancy May:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:The peaches, well, peaches, I would imagine down south.
Nancy May:Not so much up north, but
Sylvia Lovely:Georgia ones.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Nancy May:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:Anyway, so we're driving along the highway and there's a couple little signs
Nancy May:that we passed and it says fromagerie.
Nancy May:I mean, little kind of things like you might even see for.
Nancy May:a winery type of place.
Nancy May:And I told Bob, we had to stop.
Nancy May:We have to stop.
Nancy May:And he's like, no, no, no, no Fromagerie.
Nancy May:It's no place to go.
Nancy May:It's probably a grocery store.
Nancy May:So I finally got him at the last sign where it said Fromagerie
Nancy May:in little teeny tiny green sign.
Nancy May:We pulled off the road and we found literally this hut that was probably about
Nancy May:the size of, Maybe a a five hole outhouse.
Nancy May:So you can get the size, not that it was an outhouse, it
Nancy May:was clean and it was beautiful.
Nancy May:And inside was a cheesemonger, a guy who was making cheese from all the cheese
Nancy May:that he had from his cows in the area.
Nancy May:And the cheese smelled divine.
Nancy May:I am a cheese snob, I have to admit, but you don't think of roadside stands as
Sylvia Lovely:No.
Nancy May:Anyway, so we're in there and he's speaking French and Bob's trying
Nancy May:to pick it up because his grandmother was Quebecois and Bob is figuring out
Nancy May:a little bit about what he's saying and the cheese monger is just thrilled
Nancy May:hearing about his grandmother's side of the French qua side of French.
Nancy May:Anyway, and he had just made a fresh cheese.
Nancy May:Had no name for it.
Nancy May:Didn't know what to call it, and he asked what my name was.
Nancy May:Nancy.
Nancy May:Well, Nancy has a French derivative, so the cheese was named Nancy.
Nancy May:Do.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh, you ought to go back.
Nancy May:I have a stinky cheese named after me, but he also told us that.
Sylvia Lovely:Well, you make me
Nancy May:But yeah, but wait a second.
Nancy May:You also hear these other little things along these roadside stands, what
Nancy May:you're supposed to eat with the cheese or the apples or everything else.
Nancy May:He told us not to drink wine, but to get a good, strong beer.
Nancy May:And we got beer and our cheese a whack of bread, and we sat in our
Nancy May:Airbnb and had cheese, beer and bread for dinner, and it was delicious.
Sylvia Lovely:Ah, but no wine, eh.
Nancy May:No, I, no, no, no.
Nancy May:no.
Nancy May:Yes.
Sylvia Lovely:Well, you made me think of roadsides on a news,
Sylvia Lovely:story during our long ago now.
Sylvia Lovely:ice storms, fella built out of ice in his yard.
Sylvia Lovely:A good humor ice cream truck.
Sylvia Lovely:I mean, it is gorgeous.
Sylvia Lovely:And not only that, but he put his own freezer in there where he put ice cream
Sylvia Lovely:and sold the ice cream for charity.
Nancy May:During this winter storm.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, I mean, it was big blocks of ice in all
Sylvia Lovely:our yards and they're gone now.
Sylvia Lovely:But anyway, I thought that was a cool roadside idea.
Nancy May:I love it.
Nancy May:So it, that was not a drive by, that was a slide by,
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, it was so sweet.
Sylvia Lovely:but you know, there was an attempt to bring order.
Sylvia Lovely:Now we've covered this before.
Sylvia Lovely:Duncan Hines, Duncan Hines cake
Sylvia Lovely:mixes and a lot of things traveled.
Sylvia Lovely:The country rating restaurants 'cause he knew there was no other way.
Sylvia Lovely:So he was kind of the precursor of setting up a rating system.
Sylvia Lovely:But, you know, times kind of passed him by, uh, people.
Sylvia Lovely:You know, wanted something new and different.
Sylvia Lovely:So they wanted to know the bathroom would be clean and
Sylvia Lovely:Duncan Hines was only one man.
Sylvia Lovely:Right?
Sylvia Lovely:And that the food would be consistent and that they would never run
Sylvia Lovely:into Mom Evie in South Florida.
Sylvia Lovely:And so what are you gonna do?
Sylvia Lovely:You have something new that's gonna reshape the American roadside.
Sylvia Lovely:So let's talk about the interstate shift.
Sylvia Lovely:From about 1950s to the 1970s and in the 1950s, something
Sylvia Lovely:really, really big changed.
Sylvia Lovely:And it wasn't just the cars, the interstate highway system championed
Sylvia Lovely:under our dear President Eisenhower, began cutting across the country faster,
Sylvia Lovely:roads, straighter lines, fewer stops.
Sylvia Lovely:You had to go and exit, not turning off.
Sylvia Lovely:And what was the most important shift?
Sylvia Lovely:You no longer had to go through a town to get there.
Sylvia Lovely:To get anywhere you could go around it.
Sylvia Lovely:And I remember this very vividly because I worked cities.
Sylvia Lovely:That was my job, was to defend cities against these interstate, taking away
Sylvia Lovely:the little downtowns and all of that.
Sylvia Lovely:So it changed everywhere.
Sylvia Lovely:I didn't, I largely lost because they took over.
Sylvia Lovely:Right.
Sylvia Lovely:And little towns are starting to come back a little bit, but not much.
Sylvia Lovely:But changed everything for Main Street.
Nancy May:Main Street reminds you of just old quaint towns now today.
Nancy May:Right.
Nancy May:And it's sad, but so many of those main streets are going away.
Nancy May:Ours is trying to revitalize
Nancy May:itself and it's hard.
Nancy May:But Brooksville.
Nancy May:Florida is the typical.
Nancy May:Well, actually I'm gonna back that up because Brooksville Florida, if you
Nancy May:don't know it is a jeopardy question.
Nancy May:So maybe the interstate hasn't totally passed
Nancy May:us, but the jeopardy question was what is the center of the state of Florida?
Nancy May:And they said it's Brooksville.
Nancy May:We might be off by by a mile or so, or a couple miles, but we're pretty darn close.
Nancy May:Anyway, that's the trivial point for today.
Nancy May:But suddenly the hardware stores are gone and the courthouse, we have a
Nancy May:courthouse right in the center of town, which is sort of gobbled up everything.
Nancy May:Courthouse and lawyers.
Nancy May:I guess I should be nice because you are a lawyer.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, that's all right.
Sylvia Lovely:You can pick on me.
Nancy May:And remember the corners like you always say, the four corners have,
Nancy May:every corner has a gas station on it.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Or a CVS and a Rite Aid or, you
Sylvia Lovely:know, whatever, Walgreens.
Nancy May:We have an old corner that looks like it had four gas
Nancy May:stations, 1, 2, 3, 4, whether it was a Texaco or Sunoco or whatever it was.
Nancy May:But they're gone.
Nancy May:One is now a butcher and then a pole barn builder, and the other two are just empty.
Nancy May:But those places have gone away and in many cases, far, far away, they're out
Nancy May:of sight forever and ever, which is so sad because that's where kids hung out.
Nancy May:You sat there with a pop.
Nancy May:Right?
Nancy May:and, but unfortunately we've been trained to want something different like
Nancy May:security and something that's not boring.
Nancy May:Like a Chuck E. Cheese.
Nancy May:I don't know.
Nancy May:I've never been to a Chuck E. Cheese.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh, I have,
Nancy May:Yeah.
Nancy May:all those cool places that just a little kind of grungy the kids wrinkle
Nancy May:their nose up at, well, we actually had one up in Bethel Connecticut,
Nancy May:which was called the Sycamore Diner.
Nancy May:We love that place
Sylvia Lovely:mm-hmm.
Nancy May:it was a little grungy and some people didn't like it, but sometimes
Nancy May:I think a little less clean makes you inoculated against the rest of the world.
Sylvia Lovely:Probably true.
Sylvia Lovely:That's probably true.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:You know, we, kind of came along with some really cool things and we're
Sylvia Lovely:gonna just pick out two of them.
Sylvia Lovely:I'm sure there are many others.
Sylvia Lovely:I do have to tell a quick story about.
Sylvia Lovely:Small towns and I worked with small town mayors and
Sylvia Lovely:commissioners and council members.
Sylvia Lovely:And I was sitting with one, one day in Paducah, Kentucky, which is
Sylvia Lovely:on the western edge of Kentucky.
Sylvia Lovely:It's beautiful little town.
Sylvia Lovely:And he got something off of the radio that there were thieves, at the Walmart,
Sylvia Lovely:that there was a break in at Walmart.
Sylvia Lovely:And he looked at me, he says, you know.
Sylvia Lovely:Everybody ends up at Walmart.
Sylvia Lovely:Even Thieves.
Nancy May:that's funny.
Nancy May:We're gonna take a break at Walmart.
Nancy May:I think I need a break after Thieves and
Sylvia Lovely:wa Yeah.
Nancy May:and we'll be right back.
Nancy May:So Sylvia, we left off at my favorite place,
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, of course.
Nancy May:Walmart.
Nancy May:I have to say, I, I have a, we have a name that I call Walmart.
Nancy May:I call it Walt, the name that should not be mentioned.
Nancy May:I hope I don't get a slanderous note for that one, but in
Nancy May:any case, it is an adventure.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:got some stories about some roadside attractions that had built,
Nancy May:well, roadside stops, we'll call them.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, let's choose two of them, because they're kind of iconic.
Sylvia Lovely:I remember I didn't go very many places when I was a kid, but Bernie
Sylvia Lovely:did, and he talks about some of these places, but Howard Johnson's the bright
Sylvia Lovely:orange roof of Howard Johnson's was kind of a lighthouse for travelers.
Sylvia Lovely:It was founded in 1927 in your backyard, Quincy, Massachusetts.
Sylvia Lovely:Right.
Nancy May:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Okay.
Sylvia Lovely:Began as a soda fountain, but along the interstate it became something more.
Sylvia Lovely:You could see that orange roof there.
Sylvia Lovely:There it's we're.
Sylvia Lovely:Okay.
Sylvia Lovely:We know we can get food
Nancy May:right?
Sylvia Lovely:and 28 flavors of ice cream.
Sylvia Lovely:Yay.
Nancy May:They had the best ice cream.
Nancy May:Oh my God.
Nancy May:And clam strips.
Nancy May:Really good.
Sylvia Lovely:Chef Pepin help plan their menus too.
Sylvia Lovely:What was it clam?
Sylvia Lovely:There was something with clams.
Nancy May:strips, they were clam
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Nancy May:tartar sauce.
Nancy May:I remember going to one as kids that my parents would stop on away from, I think
Nancy May:it was Long Island, to Massachusetts up to see his, my dad's brother.
Nancy May:And the clams strips were just like my favorite.
Nancy May:I wouldn't order anything else.
Nancy May:And of course the ice cream had to be chocolate chip
Nancy May:and it always had like this.
Nancy May:Crunchies.
Nancy May:I mean it was the, it was how the scoop that they used.
Nancy May:But today I cannot eat a clams strip if my life depended upon it.
Nancy May:It can only be roadside belly clams.
Sylvia Lovely:Okay.
Sylvia Lovely:I love that.
Sylvia Lovely:I'm gonna have to pick some of those out in Florida, right?
Nancy May:Come down to Florida.
Nancy May:I
Nancy May:got the best roadside belly clam place you can go to.
Sylvia Lovely:You are the center of the Florida universe.
Sylvia Lovely:But I think it's pretty cool that, chef Poppen, Jacques Poppen famous of
Sylvia Lovely:course, for hanging out with Julia Child.
Sylvia Lovely:he standardized their recipes.
Sylvia Lovely:I mean, they were already into the flow of consistency, That
Sylvia Lovely:was something that was missing.
Sylvia Lovely:you never knew where you were gonna find a good meal.
Sylvia Lovely:and it was, was pretty cool.
Sylvia Lovely:It
Sylvia Lovely:was pretty cool.
Nancy May:My, college roommate, her dad owned a Ho Joe's franchise and hotel.
Nancy May:Up in upstate New York.
Nancy May:Yes,
Nancy May:he did.
Nancy May:He cleaned up with that, apparently did really well, but it was the only place
Nancy May:that was clean and I guess standardized in the area outside of Syracuse, New York.
Nancy May:And that's where all the kids would go?
Sylvia Lovely:You could eat and get a place to lay your head down.
Sylvia Lovely:That was consistent.
Sylvia Lovely:And
Nancy May:College kids, maybe
Nancy May:not.
Sylvia Lovely:it has changed.
Sylvia Lovely:I mean, it's changed, but then there was Stuckey's.
Sylvia Lovely:that's a personal favorite, the teal roof of Stuckey's, and it was founded in 1935.
Sylvia Lovely:I love these origin stories by WS Stuckey Sr.
Sylvia Lovely:With a $35 pecans pecan stand in Eastman, Georgia.
Sylvia Lovely:And then it grew into something uniquely American, and it wasn't just a restaurant.
Sylvia Lovely:It was really an emporium, not much in the restaurant line, but pecan logs.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh my, you know, a pecan log.
Sylvia Lovely:It's got that noot center.
Nancy May:Now do you say pecan or pecan?
Sylvia Lovely:Or pecan if you're in the deep south, souvenirs, road
Sylvia Lovely:snacks, clean bathrooms, and it was a pit stop in a, into a small event.
Sylvia Lovely:I love that Noot Center, caramel wrapped around that
Sylvia Lovely:Noot center and, and little Oh,
Nancy May:I didn't even know what a stuckey's was till later on, I guess in
Nancy May:my twenties, I'd never experienced one.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh, and, you know, the rest of the story on the pecans and all
Sylvia Lovely:of that is, oh, by the way, you could get souvenirs, you know, those little.
Sylvia Lovely:Eh,
Nancy May:Things.
Nancy May:Yep.
Nancy May:Roadside chais.
Sylvia Lovely:key chains, pennants, snow globes, and in Florida, I have to tell
Sylvia Lovely:you, we had buckets of plastic alligators when we were just recently in Florida,
Sylvia Lovely:but a new thing, a gummy alligator that was about a foot long, and each kid
Sylvia Lovely:had to have one, and they were $5 each.
Sylvia Lovely:Do you know?
Sylvia Lovely:We ended up throwing that thing away.
Sylvia Lovely:Even they couldn't eat
Nancy May:Oh, so it was plastic, it wasn't something you ate.
Sylvia Lovely:It was something you ate?
Sylvia Lovely:It was a, gummy alligator,
Nancy May:Like a giant lollipop, but it was a gummy thing.
Sylvia Lovely:It was gummy,
Nancy May:Where all the dog hair sticks to it.
Sylvia Lovely:No, it got thrown out.
Sylvia Lovely:Not, not too long after that.
Sylvia Lovely:But anyway, Mr. Stuckey died and the restaurants virtually disappeared.
Sylvia Lovely:until granddaughter, Stephanie brought it back to life Now you
Sylvia Lovely:can order a log, a pecan log.
Sylvia Lovely:I am going to order Bernie a log.
Sylvia Lovely:I can't wait.
Nancy May:I am not touching that one with a 10 foot alligator.
Nancy May:Thank you very much.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh yeah.
Nancy May:But, and I find it fascinating that, Stuckey's was going through some
Nancy May:really hard times and you said it's the granddaughter that's brought it back.
Nancy May:I think that's wonderful.
Nancy May:A little roadside nostalgia sticks in the family, and that's important because it's
Nancy May:also partially what we're all about is family and food and traditions and, and
Nancy May:maybe even a roadside stand here or there,
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, her father tried to make it and they ran into, it was
Sylvia Lovely:the 2008 great recession that did them in, and then the son tried to take
Sylvia Lovely:it to a new place and it was like, it lost its shine, you know, sometimes
Sylvia Lovely:when the original owner passes on.
Sylvia Lovely:And then Stephanie has taken it up and she went online, which
Sylvia Lovely:is one, uh, she also retail establishments, but online is really.
Sylvia Lovely:The name of the game today,
Nancy May:We could have to reach out to her and see if she's got a
Nancy May:family food store to share with us.
Nancy May:I think
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, I bet she does pecan stuff.
Nancy May:So then we go to the 1970s in the two thousands where the interstate had
Nancy May:fully reshaped the American landscape.
Nancy May:Fast food chains exploded, and the juggernauts of other
Nancy May:episodes that came along.
Nancy May:But some of the more interesting that happened along the roadside
Nancy May:stands or the roadsides were.
Nancy May:The speedways and the speed and efficiency and everything that came fast.
Nancy May:if it's not fast, you didn't want it, right?
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, but.
Sylvia Lovely:there was a couple of things that happened.
Sylvia Lovely:A restaurant came along that didn't just serve food, did it?
Sylvia Lovely:It served up memories, and that was Cracker Barrel.
Sylvia Lovely:Founded in 1969 in Lebanon, Tennessee, and I've been dying to
Sylvia Lovely:say this word, so just let me say it.
Sylvia Lovely:It captured the zeitgeist.
Sylvia Lovely:I love that word.
Sylvia Lovely:That is such a cool word.
Sylvia Lovely:And I've just been dying to use it.
Sylvia Lovely:uh, I'm sure the smart people out there already know this,
Sylvia Lovely:but I had to look it up.
Sylvia Lovely:It means kind of the.
Sylvia Lovely:Era that you're in.
Sylvia Lovely:a changed era, kind of everything changed with a zeitgeist It's
Sylvia Lovely:what kind of our, our shtick now.
Sylvia Lovely:Right.
Sylvia Lovely:Okay.
Sylvia Lovely:That's as good as I can do.
Sylvia Lovely:but you
Sylvia Lovely:had rocking
Nancy May:down, right?
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Rocking chairs on the porch.
Sylvia Lovely:A peg game at the table.
Sylvia Lovely:Biscuits and gravy, and, no, not your favorite, but.
Sylvia Lovely:It is mine and grits and a country store, a boot.
Sylvia Lovely:I mean, my mother loved it.
Sylvia Lovely:My, mother-in-law loved it and it was really pretty neat.
Sylvia Lovely:and so there you have it.
Nancy May:we actually have I think it's the oldest roadside stop.
Nancy May:At least in the state of Florida, not too far from us, and we decided to go find it.
Nancy May:It's this tiny little thing.
Nancy May:You have to go off the beaten track off Route 50, and it's a tin roof and really
Nancy May:a hot place for people to stop and see.
Nancy May:But you see the old nostalgia, the dial up telephone and the the little, the sticky
Nancy May:things, you know, the long flavored candy sticks that you had along the way that.
Nancy May:Very interesting.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:anyway, that's a nostalgia part that's sort of gone, but
Nancy May:still there, which is kind of cool.
Nancy May:But
Nancy May:biscuits, I know I never had a biscuit that I particularly loved, but south
Nancy May:of the border in New Jersey, yes.
Nancy May:You've mentioned it's Cracker Barrel.
Nancy May:It was mom and pop.
Nancy May:It's everything about it that just felt so old fashioned and loved, and.
Nancy May:There's nothing that can say old fashioned and loved and nostalgic in
Nancy May:the world of ai, I think right now.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm,
Nancy May:So speaking on Cracker Barrel, Sylvia, there was a bit of a backlash
Nancy May:that I found was kind of interesting that apparently, , everybody wanted
Nancy May:to hate Cracker Barrel for a while because they were changing everything.
Nancy May:But I found that the AI world was kind of to blame on that, which is
Nancy May:kind of sad now that our traditions are being mixed and mingled with.
Nancy May:Things that may not be so real, a researcher found that 45.5 or 44.5% of
Nancy May:all X tweets or posts, that mentioned the Cracker Barrel were first generated by AI
Nancy May:bots done within 24 hours of this change.
Nancy May:So somebody started it somewhere and somebody was upset with
Nancy May:Cracker Barrel and approximately 49% of the boycott related posts.
Nancy May:Of the same time also were bot generated.
Nancy May:So all this hoopla, the 2.2 million cracker barrel related
Nancy May:posts against Cracker Barrel were AI related posts, which I find
Sylvia Lovely:a little scary,
Nancy May:really sad.
Nancy May:I mean, why?
Nancy May:Why are we so upset that we have to create a bot to attack the nostalgia
Nancy May:of something that was just trying to be a little bit more modern in hip?
Nancy May:I guess maybe it shows that we really do care,
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Uncle Herschel.
Sylvia Lovely:Isn't that what his name was in the rocking chair?
Sylvia Lovely:Wasn't that
Nancy May:I don't know.
Nancy May:Is that his
Nancy May:name?
Nancy May:Uncle Harshel.
Sylvia Lovely:I thought so, but maybe I got that wrong.
Sylvia Lovely:But anyway, I gotta tell a quick story.
Sylvia Lovely:The day I attacked somebody in the Cracker Barrel parking lot,
Sylvia Lovely:okay, all right.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:When my mother was very ill.
Sylvia Lovely:She wanted to go to Cracker Barrel all the time, and so,
Sylvia Lovely:uh, I of course would take her.
Sylvia Lovely:And when she was leaving, it took her forever.
Sylvia Lovely:She was on a walker.
Sylvia Lovely:she was going fast and she was trying to get in the car and she was walking
Sylvia Lovely:out and I had parked right where she could get to the car, and I opened
Sylvia Lovely:the doors, a couple pulled out behind us and started laying on their horn.
Sylvia Lovely:That was it.
Sylvia Lovely:I
Sylvia Lovely:went for, for us to leave and get out of the way.
Sylvia Lovely:Here's this poor woman, and so I went up, they rolled down their window,
Sylvia Lovely:but they looked scared to death because I was ready to kill them,
Sylvia Lovely:and I just yelled at them and it was.
Nancy May:five foot one of you.
Sylvia Lovely:yeah, and I just said, you know, I, I hope someday when you're
Sylvia Lovely:ill that people are nicer than you are.
Sylvia Lovely:my mother loved Cracker Barrel, and sometimes it's worth just waiting,
Sylvia Lovely:you know, just waiting for someone to get on a car if they're on a walker.
Sylvia Lovely:it's hard to believe.
Sylvia Lovely:Hard to believe.
Sylvia Lovely:But
Sylvia Lovely:anyway, that was the day
Nancy May:I, agree.
Nancy May:My dad loved Cracker Barrel, which I never took him to, but, our aides did
Nancy May:and the stories of Cracker Barrel were pretty strong and how he enjoyed that,
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:But now we arrive at today Buc-ees Buc-ees is a hot.
Nancy May:Have you ever been to a Buc-ees?
Nancy May:I've never been to a Buc-ees.
Sylvia Lovely:And I shall never return.
Sylvia Lovely:But
Sylvia Lovely:anyway,
Nancy May:kinda like me in Walmart.
Sylvia Lovely:the wa the mega stops.
Sylvia Lovely:it's Buc-ees two places again, two places to talk about.
Sylvia Lovely:One is Buc-ees and yes, there is one right off interstate.
Sylvia Lovely:75 just passed it the other day.
Sylvia Lovely:it's something that our grandparents would never have imagined.
Sylvia Lovely:Up to a hundred, I think 120 gas pumps, walls of jerky, custom coffee bars,
Sylvia Lovely:briskets hard in front of you in bathrooms so clean, they're part of the mythology.
Sylvia Lovely:It's almost theatrical.
Sylvia Lovely:you don't just stop.
Sylvia Lovely:You arrive and it's like, for the kids, it's like Disneyland.
Nancy May:I can't imagine
Sylvia Lovely:It's a destination.
Nancy May:a truck stop as a Disneyland.
Sylvia Lovely:I'm like, no, I will never go back.
Sylvia Lovely:We did, we made a special trip 'cause I'm about, uh, about 45 minutes from here
Sylvia Lovely:when it made a special trip to go there.
Sylvia Lovely:And it was like an onslaught against your senses.
Sylvia Lovely:Sorry.
Sylvia Lovely:Buc-ees I'm sure with that little beaver, you're very nice people.
Sylvia Lovely:'cause the beaver is a friendly little guy.
Sylvia Lovely:But then now we have Wawa and it's close by.
Sylvia Lovely:Have you been to a Wawa?
Nancy May:Are everywhere.
Nancy May:They're kinda like the seven elevens of the South.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Lovely:They're similar to Buc-ees.
Sylvia Lovely:Um, and you say here, you love
Sylvia Lovely:their coffee.
Sylvia Lovely:You've been in a Wawa.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh,
Nancy May:very good.
Nancy May:Almost as good as Dunking Donuts, but I won't go there 'cause I'm
Nancy May:from the Northeast and we love our Dunking Donuts over our
Sylvia Lovely:I do love Dunking Donuts.
Sylvia Lovely:I do
Nancy May:but Wawa was named for a Canadian goose
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Nancy May:roots.
Sylvia Lovely:I know.
Sylvia Lovely:I can't
Nancy May:Don't tell me how that happened.
Sylvia Lovely:I don't know.
Nancy May:know.
Sylvia Lovely:I know it was a little bit too much information
Sylvia Lovely:to delve into for this.
Sylvia Lovely:But anyway, yeah, that began as a
Nancy May:I have, I have, I have, one little story.
Nancy May:This is a side sidebar story.
Nancy May:I was visiting my sister out in the Oklahoma area in Wagner,
Nancy May:outside of Tulsa, and they don't have seven elevens out there.
Nancy May:At least we didn't see one.
Nancy May:But you know what they have?
Sylvia Lovely:What
Nancy May:They have something called a Kum & Go.
Sylvia Lovely:they Kum & Go.
Sylvia Lovely:Is that like in and out
Nancy May:went, come and go.
Nancy May:I'm driving along thinking Kum & Go.
Nancy May:This doesn't sound right.
Nancy May:This is like, this is not Bible belt
Sylvia Lovely:Mm.
Nancy May:territory.
Nancy May:I laughed every time I saw the Kum & Go.
Nancy May:I mentioned it and I started to laugh hysterically with my sister in the car.
Nancy May:And that Christmas, what did I get for Christmas?
Nancy May:Gift two T-shirts.
Nancy May:One for me and one for Bob.
Nancy May:Kum & Go.
Sylvia Lovely:Oh, that is hilarious.
Sylvia Lovely:I love that.
Sylvia Lovely:but you know, since you obviously like it came out of a dairy farm and it was one of
Sylvia Lovely:the dairy farm was very meticulous about.
Sylvia Lovely:Children getting good milk.
Sylvia Lovely:And so that was like, you know, so it's sort of a, a good feeling kind of story,
Sylvia Lovely:about the dairy that turned into Wawa.
Sylvia Lovely:I love the origin
Nancy May:Kind of like the Stew Leonards of the north, which is
Nancy May:only a couple of places, but still,
Sylvia Lovely:Now, you know, here's something going on out there though,
Sylvia Lovely:and we'll just have to watch.
Sylvia Lovely:Are the mascots, we've talked about that and we've talked about branding.
Sylvia Lovely:We've talked about Uncle Herschel and we talked about people
Sylvia Lovely:that kind of became the face.
Sylvia Lovely:But these little lovable animals kind of remind you of, mascots like.
Sylvia Lovely:Sports teams, they're here to love you and you love them back 'cause they have
Sylvia Lovely:big old giant grins on their faces.
Sylvia Lovely:And so I thought that was kind of interesting, that phenomenon.
Nancy May:We have the Florida Gators and we also have, the Pirates, so
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Lovely:We had Wildcats, but.
Nancy May:we have Buccaneers.
Nancy May:I guess you gotta love a smiling pirate, but
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Mm. Anyway, Buc-ees is the beaver, and then you have the Canadian goose.
Sylvia Lovely:So there you have it.
Sylvia Lovely:Uh, but they, out of the consistency of Howard Johnson's and the retail flare
Sylvia Lovely:of a stuckey's, a comfort nostalgia of Cracker Barrel and Scale, that
Sylvia Lovely:would've stunned early road travelers.
Sylvia Lovely:I don't know.
Sylvia Lovely:Are they authentic or do we care?
Sylvia Lovely:I mean, you get in there, you get what you want, and you leave,
Nancy May:You
Nancy May:don't linger.
Nancy May:Which is kind of sad, but I think it's time to do a little bit of a nostalgic
Nancy May:or family tree food stories, revolt and, well, not revolting, but revolt
Sylvia Lovely:Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Nancy May:and decide that we should all frequent the side rose
Nancy May:stands, the little outta the way
Nancy May:places, the diners, the.
Nancy May:Cute and even delicious, or maybe not so delicious coffee shops that just make
Nancy May:our lives a little bit more interesting where we have to slow down and just
Nancy May:take in the smell of a good apple pie along the way, or maybe a pecan pie
Sylvia Lovely:a pecan pie.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:Yeah.
Sylvia Lovely:and just kind of create a, a canvas on which a real story is written.
Sylvia Lovely:So yeah, I
Nancy May:The purpose for stopping
Nancy May:and wanting to stop as opposed to just a flash by drive by, because
Nancy May:every meal has a story and every story is a feast, and that's our motto.
Nancy May:And roadside, or off the road or off the beaten path, or shunpikeing as
Nancy May:we call it, in many cases, makes life a little bit more interesting.
Nancy May:It's not so much the food, but it's the destination.
Nancy May:Or the journey even better, and getting there that makes every
Nancy May:day just a little bit better.
Sylvia Lovely:I love it.
Sylvia Lovely:I love it.
Sylvia Lovely:Let's go find a place.
Nancy May:Let's go find a place.
Nancy May:So if you like the show, or better yet, if you have a roadside attraction that's
Nancy May:just a little bit more delicious than the next, please share it with us at
Nancy May:Go to podcast Family Tree Food stories.
Nancy May:Share a link to your roadside attraction or a restaurant or
Nancy May:diner or someplace that you like.
Nancy May:Actually, I saw.
Nancy May:I saw a diner that was listed in a roadside attraction called The Damn Diner.
Nancy May:So if you are somewhere in central Florida and find The Damn Diner, please
Nancy May:take a photo of that and share it with us, because we'd love to see it.
Sylvia Lovely:Well, and I've lived in central Florida and there are
Sylvia Lovely:some contrarians who did run diners, including Bernie's grandmother.
Sylvia Lovely:So I mean, there are places to visit and then
Sylvia Lovely:there are places that maybe not
Nancy May:share your story with us at Podcast Family Tree Food and Story,
Nancy May:because like we said every meal has a story and every story is a feast.
Nancy May:We'll see you soon and we'll hear you soon.
Nancy May:Take care and
Nancy May:happy eating.
Nancy May:Bye-bye.
Sylvia Lovely:Goodbye.






