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Love, Lust, and Food Stories: Unveiling Valentine's Day Secrets

Love, Lust, and Food Stories:  Unveiling Valentine's Day Secrets

Dive into a decadent world of desire as Family Tree, Food & Stories hosts Nancy May and Sylvia Lovely unwrap the mysteries behind Valentine's Day's most seductive treats. Join chocolate expert Norma Taylor as she reveals how to get thousands of chocolate-covered strawberries out to lusting customers.

Nancy and Sylvia dive under the covers to reveal some interesting and lesser-known history and traditions of how those silk heart-shaped chocolate boxes even include a little black lace. Remember those innocent candy conversation hearts?  Perhaps they were the precursor to modern-day text messaging.  What do you think?

This episode is packed with a lot of fun, interesting stories, and a few tantalized revelations about legendary aphrodisiacs, including:

❤️ The truth behind chocolate's reputation as a love potion

❤️ Which legendary lover consumed 80 oysters daily for more passionate nights

❤️ The surprising connection between bananas and bees

❤️ Why strawberries became Venus's chosen fruit

❤️ The hidden meaning of avocados in ancient culture

❤️ Which romantic edible now commands a shocking $100 per dozen

❤️ The sweet secrets of honey's role in matters of the heart

This episode serves more than just chocolate and champagne — it's a feast of fascinating food history, romantic traditions, and delicious discoveries that will forever change how you think about Valentine's treats.

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About Your Hosts: Nancy May and Sylvia Lovely are the powerhouse team behind Family Tree, Food & Stories, an Omnimedia company that celebrates the rich traditions and connections that everyone has around food, friends, and family meals together. Nancy, an award-winning business leader, author, podcaster, and Sylvia, a visionary author, lawyer, and former CEO, combine their expertise to bring captivating stories rooted in history, heritage, and food. Together, they weave stories that blend history, tradition, and the love of food, where generations connect and share intriguing mealtime stories and kitchen foibles.

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Transcript
Nancy May:

Hello, everybody.



Nancy May:

It is our Valentine's Day special here at Family Tree Food and Stories.



Nancy May:

And Valentine's Day is, it's a rather interesting day.



Nancy May:

I think we all look forward to it and we all loathe it at the same time.



Nancy May:

But in any case, it is a delicious day.



Nancy May:

And there are stories, both food and family oriented.



Nancy May:

And before we got started, Sylvia and I were chatting with our guest Norma



Nancy May:

Taylor about a story, and I'll share it real quickly, that although it wasn't on



Nancy May:

Valentine's Day, but it's pretty close, that I was in college and I was dating



Nancy May:

this guy and It was Parents Weekend, my parents came out, and we all had dinner



Nancy May:

together, and my dad leans over to my date and says, She's a pretty great



Nancy May:

gal, but she's not Gina Lola Brigida.



Nancy May:

I'm like, How could you do that?



Nancy May:

on that note, This non Ginalotobrigida is opening the Valentine's Day here



Nancy May:

at Family Tree Food and Stories.



Nancy May:

So, welcome Norma and hello Sylvia!



Sylvia Lovely:

Well, hello.



Sylvia Lovely:

You're a goddess.



Sylvia Lovely:

You know, I mean, what can I say?



Nancy May:

I know.



Sylvia Lovely:

I'm too short to ever be a goddess.



Nancy May:

Well, good things come in small packages, like chocolate, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, well heat enough.



Sylvia Lovely:

I bet you're not a small package anymore.



Sylvia Lovely:

But anyway, Hey, I love this holiday and I love it for a couple of reasons.



Sylvia Lovely:

One, obviously the love vibes, and Norma knows there's a candy I like



Sylvia Lovely:

for every one of the holidays, and she always would supply me with my addiction



Sylvia Lovely:

she would bring from the candy store.



Sylvia Lovely:

but I love it, one for the love vibes, but number two, here in



Sylvia Lovely:

the north country, Ms. Nancy is.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's the harbinger of spring.



Sylvia Lovely:

You know, you've had the groundhog, and he usually comes back with bad news, six



Sylvia Lovely:

more weeks of bad weather, but you get to Valentine's Day and hope spring's eternal.



Sylvia Lovely:

Okay, we can get through this.



Sylvia Lovely:

Right, Norma?



Sylvia Lovely:

We'll get through this.



Sylvia Lovely:

And we've had a very Harsh beginning to our winter up here, so we'll especially



Sylvia Lovely:

look forward to Valentine's Day.



Sylvia Lovely:

But what I want to do right now is introduce Norma and



Sylvia Lovely:

get going on our conversation.



Sylvia Lovely:

let me tell you a little bit about her and it's a big.



Sylvia Lovely:

She has been the Lexington Area Manager for Edible Magazine.



Sylvia Lovely:

I also know she was a writer and an editor.



Sylvia Lovely:

She didn't write that down on her bio, but I know that she does that.



Sylvia Lovely:

She was a contributor to Food News and Chews, and Nancy,



Sylvia Lovely:

remember, that was my radio show



Sylvia Lovely:

for years, and we ended it, but it still lives on, doesn't it, Norma?



Sylvia Lovely:

does, it lives on, you can't get rid of it.



Nancy May:

Audibly delicious.



Sylvia Lovely:

so she is also, is the Marketing and Food Safety



Sylvia Lovely:

Manager at Ruth Hunt Candies.



Sylvia Lovely:

Now that's a big deal in Kentucky.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's one with great history and everybody knows refund candies.



Sylvia Lovely:

And Norma and I know it particularly well since we worked the line, didn't we Norma?



Sylvia Lovely:

with bourbon balls.



Sylvia Lovely:

Remember the Lucy and Ethel skit



Norma Taylor:

We did.



Sylvia Lovely:

we reenacted it and now we can't find the video.



Sylvia Lovely:

So we may have to reenact that Norma,



Nancy May:

please do.



Norma Taylor:

We'll have to do that again.



Norma Taylor:

That



Sylvia Lovely:

you, you've got pull.



Sylvia Lovely:

So, you just set it up and we'll, be there.



Sylvia Lovely:

And Nancy, you might have to come up for that one.



Sylvia Lovely:

That would be fun.



Sylvia Lovely:

and finally, last but not least is her, expertise in bourbon.



Sylvia Lovely:

And I'm sure she drinks a lot of it in order to develop the expertise.



Sylvia Lovely:

You'd have to, right?



Norma Taylor:

job research,



Sylvia Lovely:

I know it's important, but we'll talk about that later



Sylvia Lovely:

because bourbon goes with what we're going to talk about here in a minute.



Sylvia Lovely:

And here's what I'd like to start with.



Sylvia Lovely:

We have to preserve our traditions, right, Nancy?



Sylvia Lovely:

We have to take care of them.



Sylvia Lovely:

We have to know that they're going to stay well and good and



Sylvia Lovely:

that, we can maintain them.



Sylvia Lovely:

And what I want you to do is pull back the curtain a little bit on the process



Sylvia Lovely:

it takes to put these delicious giant strawberries covered in luscious chocolate



Sylvia Lovely:

in front of us on Valentine's Day.



Sylvia Lovely:

But what happens?



Sylvia Lovely:

Where do we get those strawberries?



Sylvia Lovely:

Just give us a brief kind of look, behind the curtain of



Sylvia Lovely:

those delicious strawberries.



Sylvia Lovely:

Norma.



Norma Taylor:

sure.



Norma Taylor:

To start with, the berries come from either California, which produces



Norma Taylor:

about 88 percent of the berries that go throughout the United States, or during



Norma Taylor:

these colder months a lot of times Florida as well, because Florida obviously has



Norma Taylor:

the more temperate climate usually, not right now, but generally, and they



Norma Taylor:

are a big strawberry grower as well.



Norma Taylor:

So they come up from Florida.



Norma Taylor:

either California or Florida, to the factory, and you've got about



Norma Taylor:

three days, they don't last long, and particularly after you've covered



Norma Taylor:

them in chocolate, you might think, that would preserve them a little bit,



Norma Taylor:

but they start to go, pretty quickly.



Norma Taylor:

So they come in, they get washed, and they get coated.



Norma Taylor:

Now, if you're doing, I don't know, four or five cases, That's not a big deal.



Norma Taylor:

If you're doing a hundred, two hundred cases, it gets to be a big deal.



Norma Taylor:

I've literally seen the factory look like strawberry fields.



Norma Taylor:

They're everywhere.



Nancy May:

like



Nancy May:

fun.



Norma Taylor:

Oh, it is very fun.



Norma Taylor:

And, fortunately we have chocolate lines and they go down the chocolate lines.



Norma Taylor:

which is the process that covers them automatically, so you



Norma Taylor:

don't have to hand dip them.



Nancy May:

I want to go down the chocolate line.



Norma Taylor:

I with mouth open, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Like a chocolate fountain at a party.



Norma Taylor:

So, then, obviously, pops into the boxes, and off they go.



Norma Taylor:

And, they almost always sell out.



Norma Taylor:

They're not the only one.



Norma Taylor:

Old Kentucky Chocolates makes them.



Norma Taylor:

In fact, they do them year round.



Norma Taylor:

and the big thing is really processing them quickly because they do go quickly



Norma Taylor:

and they use the big strawberries



Sylvia Lovely:

I was gonna say, they're great big ones.



Sylvia Lovely:

You don't see those in our little strawberry patches.



Norma Taylor:

no.



Norma Taylor:

And, they grow bigger in California.



Norma Taylor:

The weather's better



Norma Taylor:

I guess, but they probably get lots of good food and nutrients and great soil.



Norma Taylor:

And, some of them are almost as big as the palm of my hand.



Norma Taylor:

It's extraordinary.



Sylvia Lovely:

Has the weather ever interfered with the strawberry season?



Norma Taylor:

absolutely.



Norma Taylor:

I mean, like, right now.



Nancy May:

fires in California and snow in Florida.



Nancy May:

I



Nancy May:

mean, whoever heard of



Nancy May:

that, Hey Norma, I got a question for you.



Nancy May:

So when you're talking about chocolate covered strawberries, is there a



Nancy May:

particular, type of chocolate that's better for those strawberries that



Nancy May:

people prefer, or, like there's some chocolate that just has a stronger



Nancy May:

percentage of cocoa butter in it.



Nancy May:

What, what works best?



Norma Taylor:

typically 60 percent for the darker, and, a good, good



Norma Taylor:

percentage for milk is about 53%.



Norma Taylor:

Of course, white chocolate is, is



Nancy May:

Just fat, basically,



Norma Taylor:

yeah, it's got the flavor,



Sylvia Lovely:

It's not real chocolate, huh?



Norma Taylor:

not real talk no., so they'll use that and, if there



Norma Taylor:

are a variety, I because you're buying it, you're buying it



Norma Taylor:

literally in big pallet sized cases



Sylvia Lovely:

I bet they have to back up a ways to get ready for this



Sylvia Lovely:

onslaught of strawberries that come in,



Norma Taylor:

Oh, and in a small.



Norma Taylor:

Processing plant, everything goes to that for, three days and you just have



Norma Taylor:

to plan accordingly to get your other, inventory made ahead of time, because



Norma Taylor:

all the production goes straight to that.



Sylvia Lovely:

was really fun, to go to the factory and see candy being made.



Sylvia Lovely:

And watching Junior, who started out, I think, moving boxes.



Sylvia Lovely:

And Junior had been promoted eventually to being the cream candy expert.



Sylvia Lovely:

And we watched him as he made cream candy.



Sylvia Lovely:

I think he's since retired.



Sylvia Lovely:

But, it's just the small town Operations, which Mel Sterling



Sylvia Lovely:

is, which is where the factory is.



Sylvia Lovely:

I mean, it was just fun, Yeah.



Nancy May:

small, family owned chocolate company, See's Candies or See's Chocolates



Nancy May:

were big up by us in Massachusetts and, and that region and they're delicious.



Nancy May:

I'm not sure if they're originally from the Northeast,



Nancy May:

but they were pretty popular.



Nancy May:

but I have a a pop quiz for the both of you.



Nancy May:

So the pop quiz is, do you know why strawberries are



Nancy May:

considered seductive fruits?



Sylvia Lovely:

Well, heart shaped.



Sylvia Lovely:

How, how's that?



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh,



Norma Taylor:

to Venus, who was the goddess of love, due to the red color.



Norma Taylor:

and yeah, that goes back to ancient times.



Nancy May:

Oh, you're cheating.



Nancy May:

Well, I'm going to give you one other little thing, which I didn't know about,



Nancy May:

and I thought this was rather interesting, is that you know how strawberries



Nancy May:

have all those little seeds on them?



Nancy May:

Yeah.



Nancy May:

Yeah.



Nancy May:

And there are actually some devices out there that you



Nancy May:

can buy, like kitchen gadgets.



Nancy May:

You know how we all have



Nancy May:

kitchen gadgets in our drawer because they were cool and we've never used them?



Nancy May:

Well, there actually is a strawberry deceiter.



Nancy May:

takes all those



Nancy May:

little seeds out.



Nancy May:

Yeah, uh, you know, I can deal with the strawberry seeds.



Nancy May:

It's fine.



Nancy May:

But apparently, the strawberry and all those little seeds were



Nancy May:

considered to be a sign of fertility.



Nancy May:

But when you're of a certain



Sylvia Lovely:

that.



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah,



Nancy May:

care about that.



Nancy May:

So



Norma Taylor:

across that.



Norma Taylor:

Okay.



Sylvia Lovely:

well, you know, but I wondered why when I saw that.



Sylvia Lovely:

like almost making something up.



Sylvia Lovely:

I mean, I don't know.



Sylvia Lovely:

You know, little seeds.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, seeds.



Sylvia Lovely:

Okay.



Sylvia Lovely:

Got it.



Sylvia Lovely:

Duh.



Nancy May:

yeah, okay, Sibyl, you're a little slow this morning.



Nancy May:

I



Sylvia Lovely:

I'm a little slow.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's cold up here.



Sylvia Lovely:

Ah, yeah, so, so yeah, so, strawberries and all the things that they represent,



Sylvia Lovely:

um, You know, everything.



Sylvia Lovely:

And then we go to chocolate.



Sylvia Lovely:

Norma, you're a chocolatier.



Sylvia Lovely:

I you know a lot about chocolate.



Sylvia Lovely:

You made several appearances on Food News and Chews talking about chocolate.



Sylvia Lovely:

Tell us about chocolate.



Sylvia Lovely:

Because one of the things I want to note is chocolate's just not



Sylvia Lovely:

plain old Hershey bars anymore.



Sylvia Lovely:

your chips can come in all these varying cacao percentages.



Nancy May:

And



Nancy May:

chocolate is considered a health food now.



Nancy May:

Like who would have thought of that?



Nancy May:

Like, hello, my hips are loving you.



Sylvia Lovely:

yeah, because it's rich.



Sylvia Lovely:

Now, I try to gravitate when I'm doing my chocolate chip cookies and stuff.



Sylvia Lovely:

I try to go to the 70%, but it's just not quite the same.



Sylvia Lovely:

talk us a little bit about chocolate and how you came to



Sylvia Lovely:

become an expert in chocolate.



Norma Taylor:

Well, the higher percentage of cacao in the



Norma Taylor:

chocolate, the lower percentage of fat solids and sugars and milk.



Norma Taylor:

So that's why it does taste is sweet at the chocolate you were



Norma Taylor:

just traditionally used to.



Norma Taylor:

It might be the old Hershey bar, but it is definitely better for you.



Norma Taylor:

That's what's behind all of that.



Norma Taylor:

It is considered an aphrodisiac because it contains chemicals.



Norma Taylor:

Like, and this is a long one, pH lital Amin,



Sylvia Lovely:

Ooh,



Norma Taylor:

uh,



Sylvia Lovely:

Scientist Norma, I forgot to put that on your resume.



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah.



Norma Taylor:

kind of comes with the territory a little bit.



Norma Taylor:

and that's kind of a per perfect serotonin.



Norma Taylor:

and does, trigger pleasure and wellbeing in the brain, similar to



Norma Taylor:

those when you're falling in love.



Norma Taylor:

So they stay but it is, the sensual pleasure of eating it and



Norma Taylor:

the way that it's been presented over the years, obviously.



Nancy May:

So I had actually heard that there wasn't, so I'm



Nancy May:

going to be the contrarian here.



Nancy May:

that there was no scientific background on chocolate being an aphrodisiac,



Nancy May:

but it goes back to 500 BCE.



Nancy May:

When the Mayans used it in wedding rituals.



Nancy May:

So maybe that has to do with it.



Nancy May:

if there is some scientific background, great.



Nancy May:

I'm all for eating chocolate and, and I will be



Nancy May:

more



Nancy May:

sensual, right?



Norma Taylor:

Well, right?



Nancy May:

But if not, maybe it's all about hooking up,



Sylvia Lovely:

Or, maybe, we don't know how far back it may have gone,



Sylvia Lovely:

but the marketing of chocolate to become the thing, But it is rich, and



Sylvia Lovely:

I think that's kind of, abandon your spirits and eat this really rich stuff.



Sylvia Lovely:

And



Nancy May:

What melts in your mouth.



Nancy May:

Okay.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's creamy.



Sylvia Lovely:

So it just makes you feel good, And isn't that what sex is supposed to do?



Sylvia Lovely:

So there you go.



Nancy May:

It's supposed to do that.



Sylvia Lovely:

And so there you go.



Sylvia Lovely:

hey, Nancy, there was a story about, Cadbury, which is one of the famous



Sylvia Lovely:

inventors of all things chocolate, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

I mean, I love their bunnies that come at Easter



Sylvia Lovely:

And,



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, yeah.



Nancy May:

The bunny that clucks like a chicken.



Nancy May:

Yeah, I like that bunny.



Sylvia Lovely:

And those eggs that have the little yellow center.



Sylvia Lovely:

But anyway, we're back to Valentine's.



Sylvia Lovely:

So let's talk about Valentine's.



Nancy May:

Cadbury, so yeah, he was a Brit.



Nancy May:

if you're listening and you're British, please don't take this



Nancy May:

personally, but I don't consider the British to be overly romantic.



Nancy May:

I don't know why.



Nancy May:

it's that stiff upper lip thing.



Nancy May:

I think of the French or the Italian or even the Greek, right?



Nancy May:

so Cadbury, Richard Cadbury, in 1861, started making chocolate



Nancy May:

boxes with cupids and roses on them, on the covers and the top of the



Nancy May:

boxes, and they became a huge hit.



Nancy May:

So maybe, what happens behind closed doors in Buckingham Palace is



Sylvia Lovely:

more



Nancy May:

know about,



Nancy May:

right?



Nancy May:

And Chocolate Kisses.



Nancy May:

So we have, the Kisses with Hershey, Milton Hershey in



Nancy May:

1907, which he started that.



Nancy May:

But Russell Stouffer.



Nancy May:

So this guy really sort blew my mind a little bit.



Nancy May:

But Russell Stouffer, he really took Cadbury on the challenge, and actually



Nancy May:

created the heart shaped box in 1923, and that little devil added also black



Nancy May:

satin and black lace to his boxes,



Sylvia Lovely:

No,



Nancy May:

know, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

that's sexy.



Nancy May:

I want to know what Mrs. Stouffer felt about that one.



Sylvia Lovely:

Can you say that fast several times?



Nancy May:

to know what Mrs. Stouffer felt about that one.



Sylvia Lovely:

Have either of you been to Hershey Park?



Nancy May:

I have been,



Sylvia Lovely:

Ah, the big giant kisses and all of that stuff.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, it's so fun.



Sylvia Lovely:

Well, yeah, you would have had to have been there, Norma, to be,



Sylvia Lovely:

to get your PhD in chocolate, you



Norma Taylor:

I was there, actually, a long time



Norma Taylor:

ago.



Norma Taylor:

I but it was still a lot of fun.



Nancy May:

So, speaking of going through the tunnel of chocolate love at Hershey's,



Nancy May:

we're going to take a quick break here.



Nancy May:

How's that for the moment,



Sylvia Lovely:

sounds perfect.



Nancy May:

So, we left off in the tunnel of chocolate love at Hershey Park.



Sylvia Lovely:

open, lapping it up,



Nancy May:

if that doesn't sound sexy, I don't know why, but



Sylvia Lovely:

with a glass of bourbon on the



Nancy May:

Are you a glass of bourbon or a glass



Sylvia Lovely:

Although, let's not leave out wine, you



Sylvia Lovely:

know?



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, I'm a wino.



Sylvia Lovely:

Normally, you may be a bourbonite, but red wine, which is supposed



Sylvia Lovely:

to have all those same kind of properties that chocolate does.



Sylvia Lovely:

Uh, just make you feel warm and loved, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Are



Nancy May:

Well, and wine and chocolate, I guess the chocolate's supposed to be



Nancy May:

more enhanced in the flavor of wine.



Nancy May:

But there are some really interesting things that I think we've all



Nancy May:

sort of grown up over Valentine's Day, especially as young kids.



Nancy May:

So remember those little confection hearts that have



Sylvia Lovely:

Mm hmm.



Sylvia Lovely:

Mm



Nancy May:

Right?



Sylvia Lovely:

love them.



Nancy May:

They were actually started by the New England Confection



Nancy May:

Company and otherwise known as NECO.



Nancy May:

I didn't know that NECO actually stood for New England Confection Company.



Sylvia Lovely:

I didn't either.



Sylvia Lovely:

And those little NECOs are wonderful.



Nancy May:

Right, well, Necco sold out to another bigger company in, 2018.



Nancy May:

So, I guess we get more of them, but apparently there's up to 80



Nancy May:

little sayings on those things.



Nancy May:

I think my box always got the same one, and, you pass those little chocolate,



Nancy May:

wait, not chocolate, but the little candy



Nancy May:

boxes around to



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

They love that.



Sylvia Lovely:

And they've changed every year.



Sylvia Lovely:

They do go through a process, I believe, where they review what



Sylvia Lovely:

the messages are, which is so it's kind of cultural traditions coming



Sylvia Lovely:

to life on tiny little hearts.



Sylvia Lovely:

I, you know, and I don't know that they do, but I do think



Sylvia Lovely:

they do a review periodically.



Nancy May:

they have the traditional ones.



Nancy May:

Be mine, call me, kiss me, love you, miss you with a you kind of thing.



Nancy May:

I think they perfected the art of texting before we knew what texting was



Sylvia Lovely:

They did.



Sylvia Lovely:

remember sharing those little things with folks.



Sylvia Lovely:

I



Nancy May:

Oh, absolutely.



Nancy May:

just before we moved from Connecticut down to Florida, I was going through



Nancy May:

boxes of stuff and my mom saved all sorts of things from when we were kids.



Nancy May:

It turns out that she actually saved a valentine that I got from her.



Nancy May:

From a friend of mine, who I still know today, since kindergarten.



Nancy May:

Her and her husband actually introduced Bob and I, so I still have Diane's



Nancy May:

Valentine, which is kind of neat.



Nancy May:

Although it's not food, but it is a heart, and it's a card, and



Nancy May:

I think that's kind of sweet.



Sylvia Lovely:

all I have are memories, but,



Nancy May:

Well, those



Nancy May:

last two.



Nancy May:

And what about oysters?



Nancy May:

I mean, talking about memories.



Nancy May:

we talk about foods and traditions.



Nancy May:

We're sort of got to get back to those little things.



Nancy May:

But oysters are kind of hard.



Nancy May:

I don't know if they do chocolate covered oysters.



Nancy May:

That kind of sounds disgusting,



Nancy May:

doesn't



Nancy May:

it?



Sylvia Lovely:

does



Sylvia Lovely:

them.



Norma Taylor:

ever seen that.



Norma Taylor:

No.



Norma Taylor:

Oh



Norma Taylor:

yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

However, they are doing very interesting things these days, with



Sylvia Lovely:

foods like combining bacon with ice cream.



Norma Taylor:

Oh yeah.



Nancy May:

but I want to get back to the oysters.



Sylvia Lovely:

always go



Sylvia Lovely:

back to the



Nancy May:

So oysters.



Nancy May:

did you know that a Giacomo Casanova, first of all, I didn't know that



Nancy May:

Casanova's first name, I didn't know Casanova even had a first name,



Nancy May:

but it was



Nancy May:

Giacomo, right?



Nancy May:

Giacomo,



Nancy May:

Casanova, he ate a, no, it doesn't, like, hey, Gio, right?



Nancy May:

Or



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, Tio.



Nancy May:

maybe you just call him



Nancy May:

Jock.



Sylvia Lovely:

maybe if you have the Italian accent, as in, um,



Sylvia Lovely:

yeah, uh, there you go.



Sylvia Lovely:

You can kind of see him, dressed up in kind of a lounge lizard look, coming



Sylvia Lovely:

up and using a pickup line on you at a



Nancy May:

Right, we got some pickup lines too, but he used to eat 80 oysters a day.



Nancy May:

I mean, oh, that sounds kind of disgusting.



Nancy May:

But, talk about pickup lines.



Nancy May:

Can we, can we talk about those?



Nancy May:

I've



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, let's talk about pick up lines.



Sylvia Lovely:

We might pick something up.



Sylvia Lovely:

If I want to sneak out and go to a bar at night, I need to know those, you



Nancy May:

right?



Nancy May:

If I want to pick up my husband, think we're MINT to be



Sylvia Lovely:

Meant to be together.



Sylvia Lovely:

Are you a donut?



Sylvia Lovely:

Because I find you ado able.



Nancy May:

How about a date, darling?



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, that is too cute.



Sylvia Lovely:

We should get coffee because I like you a latte.



Nancy May:

right, these are really bad dad jokes.



Nancy May:

Can you



Nancy May:

imagine your parents using these pickup lines?



Nancy May:

I certainly can't.



Norma Taylor:

Ah, no.



Nancy May:

I have to say, in fact, if any guy used any of these things on



Nancy May:

me at a bar, I think I'd walk around.



Nancy May:

I'd go to the other side of the bar.



Sylvia Lovely:

So, yeah, you've got all of those.



Sylvia Lovely:

Hey, I want to talk about honey for a moment.



Sylvia Lovely:

obviously, it's kind of Valentine ish.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's on all the lists, and it's a name you call somebody that you're fond of, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Boron.



Sylvia Lovely:

That sounds awful.



Sylvia Lovely:

That sounds like a chemical you don't want, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Boron,



Sylvia Lovely:

which regulates.



Sylvia Lovely:

Estrogen, and Testosterone, and I'm like Boron?



Sylvia Lovely:

isn't that odd?



Sylvia Lovely:

Uh, because you know, usually you can't pronounce these names, but you



Sylvia Lovely:

can pronounce Boron, and just imagine.



Sylvia Lovely:

But, now, you and Bob were bee parents at one time, you said, and



Sylvia Lovely:

then you told me something that robbed me of my will to live, that



Sylvia Lovely:

the commercial honeys Are sometimes not what you think you're getting.



Nancy May:

So, as I say, we were bad bee parents.



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we tried very hard, but our bees died.



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They flew away.



Nancy May:

They swarmed.



Nancy May:

They got eaten by mice.



Nancy May:

They got eaten by bugs.



Nancy May:

And yeah, you know, my, yeah, yeah, but, speaking of, of just quick foods that



Nancy May:

bees don't like, because a banana is also considered a rather seductive food,



Sylvia Lovely:

I wonder why.



Nancy May:

Don't tell anybody,



Nancy May:

right?



Sylvia Lovely:

to say that.



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But if you eat a banana and you go into the hive, it



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actually creates an alarm signal.



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So one year, I opened up the hive.



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It was like the week before Christmas.



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I had had a banana on some cereal that morning.



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I didn't even think about it.



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It was the end of the day.



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And the bees are all quiet in wintertime up here.



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Because, you know, they want to stay warm.



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I opened the hive and I didn't have any bee contraptions on And I put my head



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over the hive, looking in to see if we could find the queen and make sure



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that she was there and safe and warm.



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And All these million little eyeballs are looking up at you.



Nancy May:

A bee came out and stung me just right in the



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, ouch.



Nancy May:

Yes, my face blew up 24 to 48 hours later.



Nancy May:

I called the doctor and he said, you got stung by a honeybee.



Nancy May:

And this is December and he's client and I said, yes.



Nancy May:

And he said, how do you know?



Nancy May:

I said, because I did this, I stuck my head in the hive



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, Nancy.



Nancy May:

He's like, okay, why did you do that?



Nancy May:

But but bees back to the bee thing.



Nancy May:

So commercial, They produce a large amount, and in order to get your bees



Nancy May:

going in the springtime, when you've got your, they call it a new, a new, a new



Nancy May:

hive, um, they don't necessarily start producing honey very quickly on their own.



Nancy May:

They need a little help, so you put sugar water on the hive, so there's



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your first batch of honey out of a



Nancy May:

new hive.



Nancy May:

It's kind of watered down with regular granular or powdered sugar and water.



Nancy May:

So you'll see the difference.



Nancy May:

You'll taste the difference when, a new crop comes out on your



Nancy May:

own, if you're creating your own bees, and later on as it starts



Sylvia Lovely:

Hmm.



Nancy May:

all of the pollen from in the area, but it's kind of interesting.



Nancy May:

So,



Sylvia Lovely:

Well, that is, that is.



Sylvia Lovely:

So, I got to be careful about my honey, because I want the good stuff,



Nancy May:

Get your, make sure it's local honey.



Nancy May:

Do not, yeah, it should be within 25 to no more than 50 miles from



Nancy May:

where you are, but really 25



Sylvia Lovely:

and I try to do that, and there's a lot more of that available, too.



Sylvia Lovely:

you know, we are sort of in a golden age, and it'll probably get better, of food.



Sylvia Lovely:

More choices.



Sylvia Lovely:

Sometimes so many you can't stand it, like chocolate chips.



Sylvia Lovely:

I mean, you can stand in front of the counter for an hour and try



Sylvia Lovely:

to figure out which one you want.



Sylvia Lovely:

There's chili peppers.



Nancy May:

Well, chili is considered a seductive food for spicy and



Nancy May:

you're raising your heart and excitement and pomegranate, right?



Nancy May:

The love apple, they called it.



Nancy May:

I don't know why they called it a love apple, because it's so hard to



Nancy May:

get those darn things out, right?



Nancy May:

Those little seeds.



Norma Taylor:

Mm-hmm



Nancy May:

Edible Flowers.



Nancy May:

I asked a friend the other day, I said, so what would you add to the show?



Nancy May:

And she says, how about Candy Underwear?



Nancy May:

Well, did Norma, did, did they serve that at your, your candy store?



Sylvia Lovely:

That's in the back room, right, Nora?



Norma Taylor:

Yeah.



Norma Taylor:

Now



Sylvia Lovely:

she, she can't reveal that on a national



Sylvia Lovely:

podcast.



Norma Taylor:

that's, I think,



Nancy May:

A T M



Sylvia Lovely:

that's like in the old blockbusters, you had to go to



Sylvia Lovely:

a special room to get the stuff.



Sylvia Lovely:

I won't say the good stuff, but you know.



Sylvia Lovely:

Hey, how about avocados?



Sylvia Lovely:

Nancy, are we allowed to say the



Sylvia Lovely:

Aztec translation?



Nancy May:

We can say whatever we want.



Nancy May:

It's our show.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's a translation for the Aztecs was testicles



Nancy May:

pendulous avocados.



Sylvia Lovely:

I love that.



Nancy May:

And then edible flowers.



Nancy May:

So, as long as we're talking about expensive in Valentine's Day,



Nancy May:

everything seems to be like, overly top as far as it goes from that.



Nancy May:

And when the average cost of a dozen roses in 2025 now is at $94.99, you



Nancy May:

know, it's like, Roses are edible.



Nancy May:

Can you imagine, you come,



Sylvia Lovely:

actual petals are,



Nancy May:

yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, you can do all sorts of things with roses, but



Nancy May:

can you imagine you get a dozen roses from your lover, your husband, they come home



Nancy May:

and they see you eating the roses, I like, you just ate a hundred dollars worth of



Nancy May:

flowers?



Sylvia Lovely:

that's better than steak, I guess.



Nancy May:

I don't know, you would think so, I guess, I'd be a cow.



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

Hey, one of the more interesting ones is garlic, That's supposed to be



Sylvia Lovely:

for some reason.



Sylvia Lovely:

Well,



Nancy May:

you're Italian.



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, it has a high allicin, A L L I S O N, allicin, and



Sylvia Lovely:

yeah, so that's how you pronounce it.



Sylvia Lovely:

Garlic.



Sylvia Lovely:

It's thought to increase blood flow to sexual organs.



Sylvia Lovely:

You could say that, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Thereby potentially boosting libido in both men and



Sylvia Lovely:

women.



Sylvia Lovely:

But



Nancy May:

can do



Sylvia Lovely:

can you imagine garlic?



Sylvia Lovely:

Because it would almost be a turnoff, right?



Nancy May:

Yeah, I'd have to put a clothespin on my nose and be like,



Nancy May:

Oh, hello, it's nice to meet you.



Nancy May:

I've met you before I'm in bed with you too.



Sylvia Lovely:

Nancy, I know that you've got a strawberry salsa recipe,



Sylvia Lovely:

but I wanted to ask Norma a couple of questions I want to go back to



Sylvia Lovely:

the candy store industry in general, because we love to go to a candy store.



Sylvia Lovely:

There's something traditional about every holiday going into whatever



Sylvia Lovely:

you're, you know, local candy store is, and Nancy, you had one in Connecticut,



Sylvia Lovely:

And



Sylvia Lovely:

there's, every state has one, and I went in at Christmas time, and guess



Sylvia Lovely:

what I found in Old Kentucky Chocolates?



Sylvia Lovely:

I found a horse's butt.



Sylvia Lovely:

That was



Sylvia Lovely:

solid chocolate.



Sylvia Lovely:

Did you see that?



Sylvia Lovely:

I bought them as gag gifts for my boys.



Sylvia Lovely:

And on New Year's Eve at near midnight, we made the official award of being



Sylvia Lovely:

the horse's butt of the year awards.



Nancy May:

you can use that to break



Nancy May:

up with your lover on Valentine's Day,



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah, you get



Sylvia Lovely:

that horse's butt.



Sylvia Lovely:

A horse's butt.



Sylvia Lovely:

But what's the future of candy stores?



Sylvia Lovely:

Are they going the way of a lot of things?



Sylvia Lovely:

Because the grocery stores are now selling everything, right?



Sylvia Lovely:

Are they healthy?



Sylvia Lovely:

Are our candy stores that we love to go to healthy?



Norma Taylor:

seem to be healthy to me, and it depends on the type of candy



Norma Taylor:

store, but I think, particularly like the Steve's and the gourmet chocolates.



Norma Taylor:

Torres and Brooklyn has a fabulous store, Norman Love in Florida I



Norma Taylor:

think what's going to be impacting is how much chocolate they do and



Norma Taylor:

the price of chocolate, because the price of chocolate continues to rise.



Norma Taylor:

The availability of chocolate continues to decrease, and climate



Norma Taylor:

change is figured in there.



Norma Taylor:

Chocolate's a very fragile crop, so that can have some impact.



Norma Taylor:

But I think, to me, the, the candy store and, is like Starbucks,



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah.



Norma Taylor:

in general, it's, it's a treat.



Norma Taylor:

And everybody can participate.



Norma Taylor:

And so I think for that reason, they'll probably hang around where other, other



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

They bring, life to the phrase kid in a candy store.



Norma Taylor:

They really, do.



Sylvia Lovely:

you are.



Sylvia Lovely:

You're a



Sylvia Lovely:

kid



Norma Taylor:

really do.



Norma Taylor:

if it's Cs, which is strictly candy, or if it's something like Replant, which



Norma Taylor:

is, more notions as well as candy, as



Norma Taylor:

well as, other things, I think people really enjoy just Coming in,



Sylvia Lovely:

I do.



Sylvia Lovely:

They're



Nancy May:

Well, I think there's the nostalgia of the candy



Nancy May:

store, too, as you grow older.



Nancy May:

Those of us who are, let's say over 40, you probably remember



Nancy May:

riding your bicycle down



Nancy May:

to the, the local store and getting the, the five cent candy, well, or penny candy,



Sylvia Lovely:

Candy.



Nancy May:

anymore.



Nancy May:

But even still, the, you know, the wax lips or



Nancy May:

the, you know, The little wax soda bottles or even, even just bubble gum that



Nancy May:

you



Sylvia Lovely:

Okay.



Sylvia Lovely:

I gotta weigh in on this.



Sylvia Lovely:

I saw them in a small town in Kentucky just a week ago.



Sylvia Lovely:

Maysville, Kentucky.



Sylvia Lovely:

They sell candy cigarettes.



Nancy May:

Oh my



Norma Taylor:

Oh, I've seen those years ago.



Sylvia Lovely:

Candy cigarettes.



Sylvia Lovely:

No, no, they're just these



Norma Taylor:

Oh, these are,



Sylvia Lovely:

powder candies



Sylvia Lovely:

that



Sylvia Lovely:

are.



Sylvia Lovely:

compressed.



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah.



Nancy May:

you can be, a ten year old vamp



Sylvia Lovely:

Yeah.



Nancy May:

for Valentine's Day.



Sylvia Lovely:

I talked myself out of it.



Nancy May:

And give your boyfriend or your girlfriend



Nancy May:

while you're smoking your candy cigarette the candy hearts with the text me



Sylvia Lovely:

There you go.



Sylvia Lovely:

Make a package and then your chocolate covered strawberries and all of that.



Sylvia Lovely:

But you have a recipe for us, don't



Nancy May:

I do have a recipe.



Nancy May:

So talking about chocolate, or not even chocolate, but strawberries,



Nancy May:

because strawberries seem to be like one of the main foods.



Nancy May:

That we love around Valentine's Day.



Nancy May:

And a number of years ago, Bob and I were invited through, friends of his.



Nancy May:

Actually, it was his old high school girlfriend and her husband.



Nancy May:

So how romantic is that one?



Nancy May:

We won't go there.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh



Nancy May:

Actually, she was lovely, uh, or is lovely.



Nancy May:

we went to a vineyard called Pelletier Vineyards.



Nancy May:

in, Niagara on the Lake.



Nancy May:

And, of course, Niagara Falls is considered romantic, and it was cold,



Nancy May:

so I don't know how romantic it was.



Nancy May:

But we had this chef's dinner, and it was fabulous, where you're able



Nancy May:

to go behind the scenes, into the kitchens, just a small amount of



Nancy May:

people, and you could ask questions.



Nancy May:

Well, one of the samples or things that they had created specifically



Nancy May:

for the small group of us was this strawberry salsa, and it was delicious.



Nancy May:

Oh, and they placed it on just a little piece of endive.



Nancy May:

So the, the spice of the endive and the strawberries, and here's how you make it.



Nancy May:

It's very easy to do.



Nancy May:

You dice up a bunch of strawberries.



Nancy May:

You add shallots.



Nancy May:

I would say percentage wise, I'm not necessarily a measurer.



Nancy May:

So I'm probably, an old Italian grandma in a past life, but not being a grandmother



Nancy May:

or Italian, I don't know where that



Nancy May:

came



Sylvia Lovely:

You were Gina, Lola Bridge today



Sylvia Lovely:

in a previously, Yeah, Yeah.



Sylvia Lovely:

There you go.



Sylvia Lovely:

She'll be a recurring theme, I think.



Nancy May:

Right.



Nancy May:

So you take the strawberries, you dice the shallots, you take some fresh



Nancy May:

mint, you rip the mint, you don't cut it because the ripped mint actually



Nancy May:

exposes the oils a little bit more so.



Nancy May:

A little splash of ice wine.



Nancy May:

For those of you who don't know what ice wine is, ice wine is when they



Nancy May:

allow a certain amount of grapes to actually freeze on the vine and



Nancy May:

they increase the sweetness of it.



Nancy May:

So, you splash that on there, it's, you don't get a lot of it in the winter,



Nancy May:

every year, and not every vineyard produces it, and then you add a little



Nancy May:

chili pepper, just to add a little bit of spice, and some salt and pepper to taste.



Nancy May:

Now, that was the chef's recipe, and was excellent, however, this



Nancy May:

is what I would do, because I can never leave well enough alone.



Nancy May:

I would add just a little bit of balsamic vinegar, add that little



Nancy May:

spice, or maybe even a little lemon.



Nancy May:

To give,



Nancy May:

some



Nancy May:

acidity to it and just bring some of these things out.



Nancy May:

So that is my recipe for that.



Nancy May:

And we'll put it in the episode notes or the show notes, but it's really so good.



Nancy May:

And maybe you want to drizzle a little champagne chocolate on top of it too.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, why not?



Sylvia Lovely:

It reminds me, of strawberry, that are out there a lot



Nancy May:

Right?



Nancy May:

But it's just a little



Nancy May:

bit, so if you've got it on a piece of endive, you can feed it to your lover.



Sylvia Lovely:

Oh, so sweet.



Sylvia Lovely:

So sweet.



Nancy May:

On that note, how about we wrap up this show?



Nancy May:

Because honestly, I don't think we want to keep everybody away from the



Nancy May:

person that they love for too long.



Nancy May:

And that said, have a little bit more chocolate, a little bit more strawberries,



Nancy May:

perhaps some champagne along the way.



Nancy May:

And yes, continue.



Nancy May:

Oh, wine, right.



Nancy May:

And if you haven't gotten everything else, go back to the beginning of this



Nancy May:

episode with Norma, Sylvia, and myself, and have a wonderful Valentine's Day.



Nancy May:

Take



Nancy May:

care, be well, and ciao, bye bye.