Aprons: The Most Powerful Object in the Kitchen You’ve Never Been Taught to Understand. Here's Why.

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And let's get on with the show because this one is near and dear to

my heart, although I never wore one.

I shouldn't say never, but not in a formal sense.

We're talking about aprons and objects of love in the kitchen, which bring

back lots of memories and traditions and all sorts of pictures and images

came back in my mind on aprons,

Yeah, I know.

It's it's just apron.

You know, I started wondering, wonder what that means.

'cause it's an odd.

Word, I should have looked that up.

But apron as an object, apron is memory and tradition.

You don't think much about an apron, but it really holds more

than just flower, dust and gravy.

And it's got plenty of that, right?

It holds memory, identity, and over the years, even fashion,

Oh, I saw in the New York Times the other day that they're taking the

apron style and actually turning it into runway fashion, which I find interesting.

So that whole nostalgia thing is coming back in many ways.

And there's some really high end aprons that are expensive.

They're big brand names now.

And every time I go into, I wouldn't call it junk shop, but I

love going into consignment shops.

The other day I saw one that looked like a Turkey, and of

course we've been doing aprons.

It's like the red car syndrome.

you think of a red car, you wanna buy a red car, there are no red cars, and

all of a sudden there are red cars.

Guess what?

There are aprons everywhere.

Now that I see.

There's such an heirloom, they're like rolling pins,

biscuit cutters, serving spoons.

There are all kinds of things in those, antique kinds of places.

It's just fascinating to see all the little gadgets that are out there

and apron as more than a gadget.

It's a lot of fun to look back on this.

Plus, you know, you mentioned trends.

Of course the tra wife trend is coming on too, so you know that

advertisers are gonna take that the next step, and make aprons a thing.

And so that's what's going on out there.

Now I'm anything but a trad wife, but,

We're too sassy for that, aren't we?

absolutely.

Oh my gosh.

So have you ever seen the aprons that well?

I have to say, I saw an apron when I was in, in Italy a number of years ago,

and they had them like dressed as well.

The, they were print on the front cover of the apron and it was

eight pack AB Roman gladiators.

Oh, I know there's.

You know, there's some really fun things, just like t-shirts, , people

with lions on their front.

so it's like anything goes right.

Have you ever really worn an apron though?

Not on purpose.

not at least at home, although there was a little.

I's a luncheonette place that I worked at in college and we had to wear an

apron, but it was more like those aprons, like the fancy chef aprons that you

wear around your waist and you tie, you probably have some of those at yours.

The white ones that tie in the front wrap around like 5 million

times in tie in the front.

and then in high school, while it was in high school, it was junior

high school, we had home ec.

Did you have home ec?

I never took that.

I never did.

I wished I had, yeah, that's one.

that's what a lot of people were, but I, for some reason I didn't do that,

which probably would've been good for me.

Right.

taking shop would've been good for me too.

We were forced to take home-ec and shop, so the boys took

home-ec as well as the girls, and then the girls took shop as well as the boys.

So we had a junior high school.

home EC teacher, Daisy Flower Garden.

Her real name is Miss Daisy and she referred to herself as Daisy

Flower Garden and she was from the south, I believe, Georgia Darling.

And she was just a hoot and a half.

She made sure that we wore our aprons and we were proper in class

and that we made our shrimp toast.

I still don't know what shrimp toast, even though I made it back then is.

I can imagine.

This was a very high tech homeit class shrimp toast.

So you get the idea.

But anyway that's my experience with wearing aprons.

Alright, you know what a drum roll.

I just had one on the other night.

We, yes.

My Kentucky Access to Justice Commission, for which I have

a tiny little part-time job.

We did an appreciation event for our volunteers.

I was the greeter.

I had also cut the cake, which was a mess.

But anyway, that's an art.

But I had on an apron as I greeted people at the door and I was the greeter.

and it was held at a barbecue place, which I'm sure at a barbecue place.

You need that apron.

So I've done cooking demos with my chefs over the years, and I have on an apron.

And I don't typically wear them.

My grandmother did.

My mother didn't much.

I think she just didn't think about it, but my grandmother did

and I it was always my image.

And it must be where they got those cartoons for little kids

where, you've seen them, they're really demeaning to grandmothers.

I know they're terrible.

Right?

Like these gray buns and then they always have on a

little apron and , all that kind of

stuff.

But yeah.

Yeah, little wire rim glasses, , the whole nine yards.

And so there it was.

But I did buy one once at the Mill City Museum in Minneapolis.

' cause that's where wheat was first started to be processed.

' when it came off the planes.

It said I couldn't resist, so I'm not Betty proper deal.

No.

So I'm not Betty Crocker deal with it.

I like the Fapa.

I'm not Betty proper.

I'm properly not.

That is one for the blooper books, but it was perfect.

So Betty Crocker, gosh, remember our show from icons on Betty Crocker and

Icon Brands Betty Crocker was not an AI character and she wasn't even real,

but it's interesting to see what's been going on over the years with the smell

of biscuits and baking and everything.

It just brings back home, even though I'm not from the South originally, but.

Apron stir up a lot of memories and I'm gonna share that.

One of my friends, Kathy, when I was growing up in the

neighborhood, her grandmother, grandma Fern, I remember this woman,

we love it.

thin and stern and had gray hair, but it was the blue,

gray, blue dyed gray hair.

Blue horn, women glass.

They weren't horn room glasses, they were blue cat's, eyeglasses that

sort of peaked up on the edge with

a few little blings.

a glass, some of those now

I want that retro look.

she was always wearing an apron.

An apron every single day for a different,, outfit that she had.

She's always perfectly dressed, smoking a cigarette,

I can hear.

I can see it.

I can see it.

a cup of coffee, not too far along and.

Ironing, but always in an apron.

Yeah.

I just, obviously, I remember it now more than ever,

Yeah.

And then you had your giant Turkey.

I have, I don't remember her cooking too much, but I do remember

her ironing in her apron and, the more I see the homemade ones, the more I

get nostalgic about the whole thing,

Oh yeah.

That's so cool.

You wanna hear about the history though?

Please tell me about the history

' of

aprons.

'cause I think it's gotta be fascinating.

It does a good date back to the Romans, like everything

Yeah,

I suspect they probably do, but yeah, , I think the quintessential ones for

me are the ones with the, , print maybe of like little tiny flowers or

something.

I can see a And the little ruffles, yeah.

Yeah.

Feminine and all that kinda stuff.

But so.

The earliest cooks, mostly women, were aprons for the very same reasons we

do safety and practicality, especially when they were cooking over open fires.

And imagine that truly the, you know, you had the hearth and that's the image I have

of a country woman cooking on the pot.

And then what happened?

Came the twenties.

What happened then?

I'm gonna ask you a question.

So aprons, they wore aprons in open fire cooking, but they were designed

predominantly to keep the soot and.

Yeah, that

too.

it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

New Yorkers would call it schmitz all over your outfits

as opposed to safety though, right?

Or is it just

I think it was everything.

Protection from sparks, blood, hot water, all of those things.

And you said Bob even wore

he wore an apron while he did his blacksmith iron work.

And that was a, like a leather one for protection for sparks.

His fancy jean duds blue.

He wasn't wearing when he was doing that work, but still.

Yeah.

And then after that, aprons became what you were saying in the beginning, aprons

have regained their stature as a fashion

statement, haven't they?

Like in the twenties, that's what they were, that look, the dropped

waist all of that kind of thing that kind of made them look fashionable.

And so they were a hit and

then

very simple.

It's a very simple line.

So without the frills, it can be kind of body hugging if it's done tied right.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And , you just have that one little thing you have to put over your

head, but it isn't a great big deal.

And then you tie it in the back.

No, that's probably the biggest challenge, right?

Somebody have to tie it or you put it around the front.

But the the Great Depression hit hard and people were repurposing

everything, including flower sacks, and those sacks became a

lot of everything, aprons, dresses.

Curtains, and I always think of quilts, quilt aprons are a little bit like quilts.

I'm sure they used fabric from other, , clothing that they had.

I

Yeah.

And they became curtains and they become, became a lot of different things

because I just knew a lot of people.

And talk about kitchenware, the whole idea of repurposing broken plates.

That was what a woman told me once.

That's what they did.

They repurposed broken plates and used them.

Very resourceful.

And then the 1950s, what happened there?

That was the 1950s, I guess, was the golden age of the true trad wife

because The men came back from war in the forties and then the baby boom hit.

Moms didn't work.

I guess some, I shouldn't say moms didn't work.

Some did.

One of my mom's close friends and Mrs. Madarasz she worked in sales

at Bride Magazine, of course,

How

She, apparently, she says she, her entire career, she was on maternity

leave, but she was always working.

So,

But she was a very forward, progressive woman of her day . But the trad wife is a

whole new thing that's going on right now,

and people are giving up their careers, MBAs and PhDs and

doctors and everything else to

Domestic goddesses.

To each their own, I guess.

But you get down to people having contests on how many babies they can have.

Eh, it

ouch.

No, not me.

Not me.

leaves me behind, but, oh, and think about now

I remember this very well.

My mother sewed.

You know, most of the women in the fifties had sewing machines and I

remember she had McCall's patterns, remember McCall's patterns and they

had, , two or three versions of an apron.

' I'm not even sure why you would necessarily need that.

'cause aprons are can be very plain and ordinary, but if you wanted to dress it

up, then adding the ruffles and all of

that kinda stuff would be in the pocket.

And they say even some of them had padding.

You know what I'm saying?

Padding

the padding like in, in the top or.

a little bosomy, you know?

Why not?

I never thought about padding

that's true.

Ooh, lift and separate.

We're back to Jane Russell again.

But then, you know what, we had the feminist backlash but

aprons became the canvas for slogans.

Some of those you can't even say on air.

And of course it's just like t-shirts, right?

They made a statement and then there was the French maid look.

Hmm,

asking for that.

I, yeah.

An interesting thing would be to look up.

How popular the French made outfit is for Halloween parties.

of, yeah, It's a fun thing, , but it's, serious because

that kinda says something.

it.

says something.

Yeah.

No, I'm doing, I'm not doing that.

Sorry.

TMI, at least for this show.

Should that ever happen, I'd love a picture.

Okay.

So yeah.

And then, so it's rev edited itself today.

So what do we have who wears aprons today that you run into

Oh.

So the butcher, if you have a, if you go to a meat store, right?

Butcher

Yeah.

mongers you don't really see aprons in the the

grocery store, in the butcher area.

They wear the, those white coats that are all

Yeah.

looking.

Doctory.

Yeah.

Kind of

But baker bakeries

Can do that

Bartenders

bar bartenders.

That's right.

I never thought about bartenders.

Drag queens.

Oh, drag queens.

Talk about French maids.

We have a lot of that going on here.

Some of them are very trendy and very expensive.

You see the chefs on the TV shows that are wearing them, that have a particular

brand and they've got the leather straps and they're a thick, heavy duck material

in the pocket with the brand name on it.

And they're quite the thing if you see it and you know the brand, you definitely.

You like, oh that's that one.

And so they're branching out to doing some very interesting and expensive

things in a very simple way that, that we should go into the apron business.

yeah.

Let's do it.

A biz op,

I'll, I'll get a sewing machine.

I'll dust it off my mom's sewing machine and I'll take it from

The, hey, the year I made my kids dinosaur Halloween

costumes was the last I ever sewed.

They were hard.

Why?

I thought I had to do that, I don't know.

Yeah,

I know how to fix something every now and then, but it's been a long time since I've

actually purposefully made anything with the sewing machine, Daisy Flower Garden.

Thank you very much for teaching me how to do that.

I love that name.

I love that.

But it's identity, it's like everything people do is about identity, you

know, branding themselves and it's self-branding kind of thing.

It's a personal statement in the kitchen.

I have to say.

I do have an apron that I unintentionally got just before our Christmas show,

and I did the whole Mrs. Claus outfit.

It actually came with a Mrs. Claus apron

Yeah.

She always had one on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

we're gonna take a quick break and I've got a story about somebody I

met who was an apron manufacturer or an apron creator on an airplane ride

once

and the Apron Museum, we'll talk about that

Yeah, we'll talk about that too.

Hang tight.

We'll be right back.

Okay, Sylvia, before I tell my apron story let's talk about the

Apron Museum and the whole history of aprons, because I think this is.

Fascinating.

They have become a very big collectible

Yeah, this place has, the Apron Museum and , these people

decided to retire to her old hometown and it's looks like it's LUKA, but it's

actually IU a capital I looks just like capital L, just FYI UK y. So it's UKA.

So it's, I yuca.

Mississippi.

All right.

Keep that in mind.

So you only gonna go

That sounds like an old horn from a car.

A

Yeah.

Aah.

Visitors come from all over the world.

One man teared up as he looked at a apron that had been donated

and they reminded him of it.

So it's you know, memories by association even.

So, so yeah.

Yeah.

Tell us about who founded it though.

The apron regime was founded by Carolyn and Henry Terry after

they retired, as you'd mentioned.

And it has such a heartwarming story, the proof that the whole dream of the thread

of what happens with an apron can really bring, like you said, people to tears.

But it's something that's truly meaningful because.

Like my friend's grandmother Fern who wore these aprons.

These were very personal statements that women were wearing at the time, and today,

even the more modern ones are becoming.

I would say statements of identity in many w ays.

I think the French laundry they wore, you know, that the fancy restaurant

out in California, they wore aprons.

And these were big statements, not just from a professional perspective, but from

a very personal perspective in your home.

And, it was not a house code, it's.

Which I can't imagine people wore anyway to begin with, but it's even still, it's

an apron that protects and preserves and I think it's a tool that actually

takes care of the person that wears 'em,

It's a repository of memories.

These people started collecting aprons in 2006, and it all crystallized

around one very special apron.

It was an apron shaped like a bunny.

It reminds me of your Turkey.

Oh right, the Turkey.

I'll have to put the

picture of that one up.

It was given to them, by an 81-year-old woman who had

received it as a gift at age four.

She tried, this is awful.

This is painful.

She could find no family member who wanted it.

It was an orphan apron, and They took it in, and that was the beginning,

and now it houses over 6,000 of them from 18 hundreds to today

so the bunny was the first apron that they collected.

Yes, it was, , it really, I think they had collected them before,

but it gave birth to the idea of a museum and putting these things on display.

Even, you know, I think she may actually sell some aprons and things like

that, but she has them on display and

I wonder whether Hugh Hefner had any

there you go.

There's an apron.

and Gloria Steinem, who was a bunny.

I'll have to have to reach out to Gloria and see if she happens to have

a bunny apron in the closet somewhere.

Yeah.

Talk about padding, right?

yeah, these were made from everything, flower sack,

plastic, Muslim, and As we said before, repurposed clothing that was

just laying around in your closet.

And then we have modern times what's going on with aprons, and this is

one of my favorite stories FLO.

Oh, I love that.

I have to say I never realized or never even thought that Flo was

wearing an apron until we started to research and discuss this.

And when I really looked at that commercial,

Yeah, they're all wearing

aprons.

The men, the women, and it's all supposed to evoke this idea of a

diner, that, , you come into the diner, it wasn't set in a diner.

It was set in a big box store kind of thing.

Like you could buy insurance products and big

Originally that was the original commercial.

cause they're everywhere now.

they're out

in the fields and doing

Everywhere.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But anyway, I love this story too.

Nancy, I just love this story.

She started the role in 2008

and she Yeah.

Stephanie Courtney, Yeah.

The who plays and she said the word that so captured the job for her and

look at this woman I was reading that she's one of the wealthiest.

Not well-known actresses.

It's not like she's in big productions or anything like that, but it just,

here she was and she said the word wow.

And that's what got her

And she said it in such an evocative way that they

didn't interview anyone else.

And so she became what she was.

, And you notice she has that eyeliner the stereotypical diner waitress that we see

I love it when she poses, I guess they, they redress

her, like her sister wearing the

big pants and chewing the gum and the teased hair and she doesn't have time

to do anything 'cause she's on her treadmill or a bicycle, whatever it is.

Moving very slowly.

Yeah.

She's doing her workout.

I just think that's hysterical.

I guess you could work out in an apron too.

It

doesn't matter.

But even still working out in the kitchen is sometimes It's a lot of work.

That's right.

So it's the same warmth and reliability that we associate with

going into your favorite diner,

I did not know that.

That's why they use the apron.

It's very symbolic.

And then how she just looks so ordinary?

she's very approachable, and I think the idea of an apron makes

somebody feel a little bit more familiar

I'll have, yeah, I'll have a piece of that pie flow.

If somebody is cooking for you.

You've gotta trust them.

And if they're wearing an apron, you hope you gotta trust them.

You know, a little slip of the whatever.

But All that tapping into the old and the same warmth and reliability

associated with her grandmothers in the kitchen, it's, I, my grandmother,

I didn't know her in the kitchen.

She was in a wheelchair, as I always remember her as a kid.

And I don't know if, don't remember my mom ever wearing an apron.

So that's interesting.

It was always

don't either.

I don't know.

down the street.

Yeah.

so our aprons reaching in the past for shape, color, and grounding in

a world that seems disposable, maybe aprons still have some saving to do.

We should

go into the apron business.

although, wait a second.

I would say, is this an apron or is this a bib?

When you go

eat lobster.

get a bid.

You get a bib, that's not an apron.

So that's a throwaway That's a little different, but it still

gives me the idea that you're still being covered type of thing.

I don't, I haven't really seen throwaway aprons.

No.

kept

Yeah.

reused.

Think of that poor bunny.

No.

I feel so bad.

I know how special

But I guess that's part of the apron's endurance.

It's not something that you just toss away, even if nobody in this poor woman's

family didn't want her bunny apron, seeing that apron designed to look like

a Turkey in the consignment, antique consignment shop the other week, I felt

I feel bad for the Turkey.

I was like, oh, that poor Turkey.

Are you crazy?

Yes, I'm crazy.

I know.

apron.

Yeah.

You know, we lead such strange lives today though.

It's really hard to keep everything

I did leave.

the apron at the store as much as I didn't

Yeah.

What do you do?

, You got only so much space and I guess I lament the fact that I didn't save

one of my grandmother's aprons 'cause it's such an image in my mind of her.

But, over the years, through all this stuff you go through

to get where you are in life.

But, try to do that.

cause you'll, someday you'll regret it not to special things like that.

. Nancy May: So I've got a story about a woman that I met.

Flying down from New York to Florida to taking care of my parents.

'cause there were lots of those trips back and forth.

If anybody's taking care of an aging parent from long distance,

you know how that challenging can be, but it's also, it's a labor

of love, I would say for sure.

And I always ended up sitting next to somebody who was interesting to talk to.

Not that I was the yapper on the side seat, but this woman was the yapper.

And she was lovely,

And as we started to talk, , why she was going down and what was going on, she was

also taking care of some aging parents.

She mentioned what she did on the side, and she had started

an Etsy shop and was sewing and creating her own style of apron.

And she sh she happened to have some and she showed me.

I felt so bad I should have just now.

I look back, I should have just bought an apron from her right then and there, and

I didn't have cash on me because.

That was the thing I tended not to do.

Not a good thing, but I did and I look back and, her story was

so beautiful about all the detail that she put into her aprons.

They were the half aprons, you know, not the big fold that go

over your head kind of thing.

And the thrills and how she looked for the antique fabrics and everything

that brought back the nostalgic.

It's just I don't know.

Um.

In

How long ago was that?

of hotcakes.

The

other, which I don't think of hotcakes as a thing, I think of pancakes,

but hotcakes is more nostalgic.

And I

that brings back just warmth and especially when I was going down to

take care of mom and dad, that made

Yeah.

warmer and cozier.

Yeah.

How long ago that, so that was several years ago.

Oh, that was a while.

Mom's been gone now five years.

Dad's six.

So I'm gonna say it was probably about seven or eight years ago.

You know, Nancy, if you make something.

Somebody out there is gonna buy it.

No.

If you have

Advertising ability and you can spread the word wide enough,

there's someone sitting in front of a computer screen gonna buy it.

It's just fascinating to me.

Like I, I noticed that on cable television, people advertising

these things like the muddy map.

I want a muddy map 'cause my

dog's feet get that.

Yeah.

Or the pet rock and some group of people will buy those things.

Think of all the crazy things that have been sold on QVC and

HSN and all those networks, right?

And now on Amazon, there are tons of things that I think,

why would anybody want that?

But sure enough, they're

selling

Yeah.

hotcakes nostalgia.

Again,

So, yeah, so there's all kinds of interesting things going

on with memories and traditions.

do you

here we go.

in your restaurant?

Oh

So all

the waiters and waitresses have aprons, or do

I think they do.

of some sort?

No, they have to wear uniforms.

They have the shirts that have azura on them.

They're black.

And I know the bartender wears an apron

and

apron, or is it just like a waist tie around the

no, she wears a full one.

Then the chefs have their chef coats, but when they're actively cooking,

they have on aprons black aprons.

And I think I've seen some of the servers in aprons, like the food

runners, , people that take the food out of the window and deliver it.

So I don't that, that got me to thinking, I'm there every day.

Why didn't I notice that?

I think I'm gonna have to go back to trying an apron, one of

those kind that you tie on, like the chef waiter ones, because I'm always

pulling out a dish cloth to wipe my hands on and it's, and then I'm throwing

it on the floor and it's getting messy and it's cleaning stuff up.

But it would be very handy just to have something other than

my jeans to wipe my hands on.

Yeah.

I think we just don't think about it.

You know?

It's

No,

it would be very helpful.

But I'm gonna go back real quickly to the idea of cooking over an open

stove because or over, or a hot stove.

I shouldn't say cooking over a flame.

And have you ever cooked over a fire or even a, have you ever cooked

on a regular cast iron wood stove?

No, I've been on campfire kinds of things where you

do that outside, but no, not on any

kinda.

I had the experience of doing that once I can understand why.

Women or even men who were cooking, wore some kind of apron of some sort.

Whether it's a cloth one or a leather one, probably a leather

one would be a lot better.

But the amount of work that goes into cooking on a wood stove, we did it

up in Maine with friends who had a family cabin and the only kind of

stove that they had on this island,

Mounty Mountainy Pond was, and then they had a family compound as many

families did around that particular pond.

And it was your regular, traditional.

I guess it was a cast iron, but it was an iron wood stove with just amazing.

We cooked spaghetti and Turkey and biscuits.

I was surprised what we could cook on that thing.

Thankfully, Jeanette the guys.

Wife or girlfriend, actually girlfriend, eventually wife,

knew how to use these things.

But it's a lot of work and sparks do fly

and it's quite interesting and quite an education.

Honestly, I think everybody should have at least one experience in their

life trying that because it gives you a different appreciation of the

ability to, oh, this is, talk about tradition, the ability to slow down.

And just take in the moment of what you

And just chatting with people and and all of

waiting and the time it takes to actually put the wood in the stove.

In the morning we would take turns each morning.

We would get up one morning and stoke the stove and take care of it.

And then they would get up the next morning.

'cause we had to start at six o'clock in the morning to heat that thing up

and make sure it was hot enough to do everything that we needed to do.

But wearing an apron, I probably could've seen myself wearing an apron and

Yeah.

maybe not a long skirt, but I would not want to do that for a lifetime,

Now.

My only experience with doing that was not a good one.

So Bernie and I were traveling, we were doing a grand tour of the

West before I started law school, and we went to the Grand Tetons

and we were gonna rough it, right?

We were gonna have our fire, we were gonna make bacon and eggs.

After four hours of not being able to sustain the fire or get it going,

we gave up and found a restaurant.

So

there you have.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that, that didn't work out for us, but I can see the point of, taking your time

and just, that's what people do when they gather together and just, that, that's

It gives you time to pause and think about probably too much, but

typically what's in front of you only,

which is very helpful I think from a.

Mindfulness.

Um, yeah, mindfulness.

Not even a mindfulness, but just being able to take a moment to

take a breath and stop everything.

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